On 30/09/06, effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com wrote:
Please... Why are we having these fights?
Because this is the sort of thing that can come from setting it up as a competitive process.
Taipei has been chosen now, and we can i think do two things: Accept that or not. If we do the second, we will be fighting over this for weeks, months and maybe longer.
I suspect at least some of those not chosen question the transparency of the selection criteria and process. Saying "stop talking about this" doesn't stop them thinking about it.
Please stop fighting over who copied something from someone else. It is NO use! In wiki it is *good* to copy the good things right? As long as it is the idea of improoving your bid, it is OK imho. The bid it is copied from won't be less good by that.
I do like the idea of the wiki process being applied to bids. It means at least some effort is preserved for use by others.
The idea is not to *win* with your bid,
If that is the case, it is at odds with the word "win" being used all the way through the process, and with it being a competitive process.
Please let's all hope it will be a great conference, and don't make it harder for them with all these fights.
The competitive process by definition has a winner and several losers. The losers will be upset if the selection process and criteria appear not to have been transparent. Telling people to stop talking about it won't stop them thinking about it, especially if they feel their concerns are being dismissed rather than addressed. (I have no idea if their concerns are valid, but they certainly think they are.) And volunteers who feel ill-treated leave the project, which is damage to the project caused by using a competitive process.
As I said, a competitive process will be inherently damaging. If there's really no other way than a competitive process, then fine, but don't be surprised when it has the side effects it's *obviously* going to have.
- d.