Hoi, A lawyer argues the case according to the requirements of his paymaster. It is exactly for this reason that different lawyers come with different answers to the same question. This means that a legal opinion of one lawyer is very much within reason worth the money that is paid for it and the money available to argue the point.
With a blind trust in lawyers, why would you think our community needs to form an opinion about this? In the end it is about power and trust. I trust people like Jimmy, Erik and Mike to do wel for usl. I feel no need to second guess them. My politics is about creating knowledge that is freely available and as such I positively hate all the licenses that restrict me alike.
We all agree that the GFDL was not intended for use cases like Wikipedia and we suffer for it. Now let us PLEASE harmonise the CC-by-sa and the GFDL in order to have our practices be more in line with the letter of the license. Thanks, GerardM
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
Unlike in the case of GNU licenses, there are different interpretations of CC licenses made by lawyers from different jurisdictions inside of USA. Unfortunately, no of those interpretations cover Florida or California law explicitly.
And now a little bit about Erik's life and work ;) I know how deeply Erik is involved in the free culture matters. Maybe he even has a clear picture of all legal consequences, according to his talks with different lawyers. But, I am not talking here about his possibility to process data and to make right decisions.
Switching from one license to another is not only a matter of the Board and the Office, but a matter of all contributors to Wikimedia projects. So, I don't want to hear the product of Erik's procession of data, I want to hear (not via private email, but here!) a professional analysis of the legal consequences, especially applied for us, which means -- the implications related to Florida and California judicial systems.
Trusting or not trusting to someone's abilities is one thing. A very opposite thing is keeping things transparent.
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, So everyone but a lawyer specialised in copyright law is an amateur? I always learned that the opposite of an amateur is a professional.
Certainly
Erik is one at that. Thanks, GerardM
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
He is not a lawyer. Being deeply involved and understanding social processes don't qualify one person to be a lawyer who is able to analyze possible judicial consequences of one legal act, like license is.
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Why do you think particularly Erik is an amateur at this? I would
say
that
one of the reasons why he was offered the job of deputy director
of the
WMF
is because of his efforts in this field. Given that Jimmy is a
board
member
of the CC and a board member of the WMF, I would not qualify him
as
just an
amateur either. Thanks, GerardM
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com
wrote:
The whole process was far from transparent and you are
continuing
with
writing rationalizations for keeping the process nontransparent. Changing the license is not only a matter of the Board, but it
is a
matter of all contributors.
I don't remember that I've seen any professional analysis of
what we
are getting and what we are losing by switching from one to
another
license. There were only amateur arguing (including your,
Erik's,
mine, Gregory's, Gerard's...) pro and contra one or another
license.
(If there was such analysis, please, give me a link.)
On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Jimmy Wales jwales@wikia.com
wrote:
Milos Rancic wrote: > May you inform us about at least some of your conclusions
(I am
> particularly interested in Mike's conclusions, of course)?
Also,
while
> I am not perfectly informed about this, I really wouldn't
miss
the
> information which you said now. So, please, may this
process be
a
> little bit more transparent?
I am not sure what I can tell you. What do you want to know?
It is not possible to tell you blow by blow the state of
complex
discussions. It's the hands of lawyers who are working very thoughtfully about how to deal with complex issues.
Discussions
have
been going on for years, and things are very close to
resolution.
There was a public comment process, did you take part in it?
--Jimbo
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