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On Wednesday 27 July 2011 06:02 PM, CasteloBranco wrote:
And why does the people who speaks Malayalam, Hindi and Sepedi need to write in English in order to have those oral citations published?
Yes, we don't. We have Sepedi, Malayalam and Hindi Wikipedias to work on. Which is exactly what we did and are doing.
English is not as universal as some people think. I guess we need to find an answer in their own language, so the solution won't be another barrier.
Certainly, which is why the main scope of this project has been to create audio interviews in Sepedi, Malayalam and Hindi for use as oral citations on the Wikipedias that correspond to these languages.
Also, the escope of this project is much more important for the projects on these languages, and for speakers of these languages, rather than the English Wikipedia or its readers. But that's just me.
Well, a valid unit of knowledge in one language is surely valid in another? Perhaps not every single unit of knowledge transfers as easily (there was a really funny incident where certain Indian language Wikipedias got hit with a large number of articles on Lady Gaga by misguided machine translation some time ago). But by and large, this holds true: assuming that every culture in the world wants to know about every other culture, and assuming that English is a global lingua franca - to the extent that we are speaking in it, on this list, now.
en:wiki would be weaker if every article on pasta resided solely on it:wiki - and all we're saying is the same thing, in the context of the oral citations project.
Castelo
Em 26/07/2011 16:16, whothis escreveu:
Looks like an excellent waste of effort.
Maybe the problem of publishing non-publishable oral sources occurred to someone on the team. Anyway the english wikipedia seems to be the appropriate place for your original research. I can't wait to read all about it.
I still think a research project in emesis in the global south or something would have suited english wikipedia better but that's just me.
Your fan
Elizabeth
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Achal Prabhalaaprabhala@gmail.com wrote:
Dear friends,
At the beginning of 2011, a group of us began working on a project to explore alternative methods of citation on Wikipedia. We were motivated by the lack of published resources in much of the non-Anglo-European world, and the very real difficulty of citing everyday aspects of lived reality in India and South Africa.
We are now at a stage where the project is almost complete, and we'd like to share our work with the broader movement, especially within India and South Africa.
There are three languages we worked within: Malayalam, Hindi and Sepedi.
The project page documents the process and logistics employed, as well as the findings and results:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Oral_Citations
A film made on the project is available here:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:People-are-Knowledge.ogv?withJS=Media... http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:People-are-Knowledge.ogv or http://vimeo.com/26469276
There have been discussions on oral citations for some time now within the language communities we worked with for the duration of the project. At this stage, we are really interested in *your* feedback, either on this list, or on the Discussion section of the project page.
There are still some things to come, namely:
- Updates on events, meetings and discussions held around the project
(as they happen)
- Updates on articles created in Malayalam, Hindi and Sepedi as a result
of the project (as they happen)
- English transcripts of the interviews and a full English subtitle track
for further translation (we could use some help here).
We would be very grateful to hear your feedback, and begin a broader discussion.
Best wishes, Achal
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