I do question why some members from the community should be involved in chapter/affiliates issues. If affiliates want to communicate with each other, without interference from individual users, they had no way to do such until this list was created.
And there is no transparency reduction. The suggestion that with creating this list the transparency is reduced is an illusion. If affiliates want to communicate with only affiliates, they will found another way to do that without doing that publicly, and that is much less transparent.
Earlier on the chapters mailing list it appeared there is a enough support for a closed list.
Wikimedia is a large movement. In that movement a lot of things are done and a various set of tasks are performed. Each of those people doing the same tasks like to be able to communicate with other people doing the same task(s). To communicate effectively e-mail lists are created. For example, also Wikipedia admins have multiple private mailing lists, arbcom, OTRS, Stewards, etc. They all have sensitive data, but they also just like to be able to share experiences, ask questions with people who do the same tasks, and have some basic level of communication. This communication is essential for doing a task and improving the quality in how this task is executed. This communication will happen anyway. But they are two ways to organise that: organised in a closed mailing list or not organised with people communicate only directly with excluding many relevant people.
No, there is not a new another walled garden, it is just a better organised walled garden that exists already for a long time in other forms.
Romaine
2015-10-19 19:10 GMT+02:00 Ed Erhart the.ed17@gmail.com:
I too question the need for a private mailing list. We should require more than a just a "consistent request" before we reduce transparency and create yet another walled garden away from the community.
--Ed On Oct 16, 2015 12:07 AM, "Pine W" wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Got it. Thanks Varnent.
Regarding the privacy question: I'm sort of thinking that if we really
want
to keep the new list private for legal or other reasons, it should be run outside of WMF servers like the chapters list is. On the other hand, if
the
purpose of the new list is to facilitate discussion among affiliates in a smaller and less public group while still being open to WMF employees to
a
limited degree, then the hosting proposed here makes sense. Personally, I get the sense that the affiliate and WMF relationships have generally (there are exceptions) warmed a bit over the past couple of years as affiliate governance and leadership have evolved and as WMF's evaluation capacity has improved, so I'm fine with the new design. Thanks for
working
on this.
Pine On Oct 15, 2015 8:55 PM, "Gregory Varnum" gregory.varnum@gmail.com wrote:
Hey Pine,
As you know, AffCom started looking into this list after some
discussions
with affiliates in Berlin, Wikimania, and at that page you referred to.
We
did talk with that list’s moderators about potentially reusing that
list
(largely why the creation of this list took awhile). However,
ultimately,
we decided to proceed with the creation of this list.
The old list is not on Wikimedia servers or officially connected to AffCom, so I cannot speak to its future. However, it has becoming increasingly inactive, is limited to chapters (so excludes a majority
of
our affiliates), and not something we have promoted recently. My
personal
hope is that this new broader list replaces that one over time, but
that
is
not something we can “force” as it’s not a resource we officially help manage.
-greg (User:Varnent) Vice Chair, Affiliations Committee
On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:19 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Carlos,
Can you clarify how this list relates to the existing chapters
mailing
list? (Also, please see the discussion at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Affiliates_Network#Mailing_li...
).
Thanks,
Pine
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Carlos M. Colina <
maorx@wikimedia.org.ve>
wrote:
Dear all,
On behalf of the Affiliations Committe, I am pleased to introduce
the
launch of the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list, which is basically
a
place
for all the affiliates (chapters, thematic organizations, user
groups)
to
discuss issues related to affiliates, make announcements to other affiliates, and collaborate on activities and community-wide events.
The
idea is to help facilitate the dialogue affiliates across our
movement,
plus collaborative discussions like community-wide activities, joint edit-a-thons, regional conferences, blog/report posts, or other communications from affiliates.
Each Wikimedia movement affiliate is allocated three spots on the
mailing
list. All affiliates may contact the Affiliations Committee to
request
additional spots if needed.
Please find a bit more information on Meta:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/Affiliates_mai...
and do not hesitate contacting us if you have further questions.
Regards, Carlos -- "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee
wayuukanairua
junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya
junain."
Carlos M. Colina Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
www.wikimedia.org.ve
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