Gerard,
I'm not advocating ignoring anyone. Decisions have to be made and they will be made by the Foundation. The best decisions will be made when they consult the community. It may be that the decision that they eventually take will be for a course of action supported by the majority, or it may be for a course of action supported by a minority. In neither case are they being ignored.
You, like the rest of us, have the opportunity to present facts and arguments to the WMF in support of the decision you favour.
JPS
On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 5:56 AM Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Jennifer, So you did not say it because you did not do the researce but when a minority of our community does not identify themselves as "Wikipedians" it does not matter. Sorry, but that is EXACTLY what I said. What you indicate is that a minority may be ignored. Why else do "the research" but to provide grounds to change "the brand" anyway?
As to problems with projects, Wikipedia has its problems with citations as you indicate in another mail. At Wikidata a whole lot of effort is ongoing to include items for sources used for citations in all the Wikipedias. At the same time there is new functionality to find/focus on those instances where citations are lacking using AI. At some stage these two developments will meet. We know about other issues in Wikipedias and as you may know, Wikipedians are stubborn, uncooperative and reject what others have to offer.
To put it bluntly, the majority smothers the minority, prevents others from bringing new developments to a state where it obviously improves on the old. Past experience shows there will always be a vocal group from the majority preventing change.
Wikipedia as a brand will prove destructive. Thanks, GerardM
On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 at 18:16, Jennifer Pryor-Summers < jennifer.pryorsummers@gmail.com> wrote:
Gerard
So it is ok to deny the minority that insists they are not?
I didn't say that at all. I merely suggest that the reality is that
the
majority of volunteers take a certain view of themselves (that they are Wikpedians first and foremost ), and that the ones who take a different view of themselves (that they are Wikmedians first and foremost) are in
the
minority. That is a proposition which is capable of being tested: I have not done that test. If it were to turn out to be true, as I sugest it
is,
that would not be to "deny the minority", it would simply be to state
that
the minority turns out as a matter of fact to be a minority.
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