For Wikivoyage in 2012, there were two factors which contributed to the increase of editing activity:
1) Greater visibility as a WMF project;
2) Moving to a new platform without advertisements (I for one joined it at the very first day it moved for exactly this reason).
However, concerning the readership, the English Wikivoyage still suffers because seacrh engines think it is a clone of Wikitravel and do not show it. Nobody knows what to do with that. Other language editions have less of this problem.
Cheers Yaroslav
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Erik Zachte ezachte@wikimedia.org wrote:
For those who don't know, the jump in active wikis in Wikivoyage is when we forked and adopted the Wikitravel project. Edits before 2013 were not done under our umbrella.
@SJ, there is no trend chart for 'active wikis' in 'Other projects', as those are not a homogeneous group.
But for wiki specific trends in that group see https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikispecial/EN/ReportCardTopWikis.htm
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Interesting, thanks Erik. I like those views!
The jump in Wikivoyage activity in 2013 is telling: public attention to projects has a tremendous difference in their ability to attract and keep dedicated long-term contributors.
That's one of the only times we've had a set of big public news items and discussions about a sister project, in a decade. [It would be nice to see similar charts for commons/wikidata/wikispecies; those generally had less dramatic / more niche public attention, and mainly around their founding.]
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Erik Zachte ezachte@wikimedia.org wrote:
Here is a high level Wikistats page on how our projects fared in terms of active wikis. https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ProjectTrendsActiveWikis.html
Erik Zachte
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So we are talking about dead/small projects now? I work on many of them and I think that what WMF is mainly rationalization. It's not about just turning them off but merging, interacting or rebranding many
times. IMHO.
The problem are both the few user active on them which are proud and they want to loose their "little space" and the snob attitude of users on big wikipedias. Such a pity, there is plenty of room for improvement once you go beyond the simplest black/white scenario. I guess people just need time to think of the platform as an ecosystem, where really few things needs to be removed, whilst it does require flexibility to integrate and rethink them. I hope new generation of
users will help us in going that directions.
i am still wondering why we don't have a unified cross-language platform for some of them yet. I don't care if in 2003 or 2004 someone was unable to understand English... we had commons, wikidata, SUL... seriously talk to newbies and get over it. I am not citing any platform specifically here, just to avoid long mails defending the status quo. Let's leave colonel Kurtz in the jungle, he will get tired
one day.
But about wikinews for example, I make interviews on itwikinews. Not recently, but I have a long list of option when i have more time. I link them to the articles, they looks fine as an integration. Also they are a wonderful way to establish different connections. So sad noone uses it, because they could. The news part has low activity, but for example it still attracts new young users. One of the most motivated young WMI members comes from the "poor" itwikinews. He's very young yet he organized an event, specifically in an area where wiki.activities were missing since a decade. Without the freedom of wikinews, he would have needed much time to get the same level of confidence. I don't think that itwikipedia users understand these aspects, do they? So can you find me a replacement for that? And please notice, i am not defending my little garden here, I just work there sometimes and I see things that are useful to preserve. Can you do
it somehow, while closing it? That's what I need to know.
Il Mercoledì 26 Aprile 2017 12:16, David Gerarddgerard@gmail.com ha scritto:
On 26 April 2017 at 09:23, Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com
wrote:
Last time I remember we had a discussion¹ was September 2011 (!): https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-September/th re ad.html
Everyone interested in Wikified news should read the Wikinews threads in that page.
That's where the complaint that Wikinews is process-heavy comes from. But it really isn't process-heavy at all, if you look at the actual process. The blocker appears to have been insufficient or careless reviewers. (Japan getting a new Prime Minister apparently not being relevant to Wikinews because the sources weren't in English.)
You'll also see numbers as to why it looks like a dead project from any reasonable outside perspective.
- d.
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