Hoi, For me there is little incentive here. You are doing it for your reasons and that is fine. When primary objectives of chapters and others are omitted it loses its relevance for me. You ask he what to do and for me it is obvious that you are doing something really complicated that takes a whole lot of effort from many many people that produces a result that is really dangerous as it is incomplete in the ways it has been indicated. Dangerous when it is to have consequences.
Consider, when admin is painful to the point where people refuse or ignore the results, what is the added value of all that labour? How does it make us more effective in sharing in the sum of all knowledge ? Thanks, GerardM
On 11 June 2015 at 23:39, Oluwaseyi Olukoya oolukoya@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thank you for your feedback. As a team we are happy to see the necessary conversations and questions being raised and we look forward to working with you to make this better. The report was set out as an experiment with the purpose of consolidating chapters published financial reports to observe what trends may exist.
@ GerardM: As you have rightly said the relative value of the report is affected if any principal information is omitted and also how things are done within each chapter’s country needs to be taken into account. If the current outcome of combining 37 financial statements is not optimal - we acknowledge it can be improved - then how can we make it better? If necessary, what variables (e.g. staff/volunteers info) need to be taken in account? …
@Ilario: We appreciate that insight. We agree that further steps need to be taken to make the data we gathered more comparable. A first step was allocating all the chapter’s currently used line items to a common revenue and costs category. Now we will need to focus more on refining the first step and, in line with your advice, looking further into:
how can the data we gathered be kept in its original context?
how can the data be used by the chapters in a meaningful and comparable
way?
During our open discussion presentation at Wikimania, such questions can be explored further. Since this is an experiment towards a consolidated trends report, we can collaboratively observe loopholes/blind spots that may exist and move towards a solution.
Thank you. Regards
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 3:23 AM, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hoi, Raising revenue is done in one way. We ask people, they give.
We tell everybody that the WMF is a charity in the USA.. FINE but it is also a charity in many other countries for instance in the Netherlands. Increasing the amount of money in the Netherlands can be done in many
ways.
The chapter may help but there are other ways as well. To do this well.
you
have to be aware about how things are done in a country. Given that it is possible to have gifts to charities fully tax deductible, it is relevant
to
look after such details.. I know about them and I do not mind to help. Thanks, GerardM
On 11 June 2015 at 11:49, Ilario Valdelli valdelli@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, the idea is interesting, I am a volunteer in same grant committees
of
WMF and I can only agree to have a more comparable financial sheets
(mainly
in the use of the currencies).
But I have some concerns.
a) I hope that this project will produce more comparable financial
sheets
but without leaving the context were chapters are working. An example
is
the cost per day of an employee because if there is a standardization
of
these financial data but "out of the context" the risk is that the financial statements can generate not realistic data. It means that the total costs of the staff in a country with high salaries cannot be comparable with another having lower salaries without a "balanced"
data.
b) I really hope that you will push also the addition of the relevance
of
the results of the fundraising in each country, because we always think that the cow produces milk, we never think that we have to harvest the
cow
to produce its milk!!!! The financial statements of a chapters out of
the
context of the WMF fundraising in each country limits a lot the real
value
of the costs.
Regards
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:15 AM, Michael Guss mguss@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi folks,
We are the Finance Fellows, a multicultural team consisting of 4
young
professionals. We are happy to introduce a 6-month movement-wide
project
that focuses on the consistency of how we operate, which is explained further in this announcement.
*But here's some information about us*:
Arda [User:Melmas_(WMF)] < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Melmas_(WMF)%3E is from Turkey. He holds a BA in Economics.
Lene [User:Lgillis_(WMF)] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Lgillis_(WMF) is from
Belgium.
She
holds a Master's degree in Applied Economics and a Master's degree in Business Communication.
Seyi [User:Oolukoya_(WMF)] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Oolukoya_(WMF) is from
Nigeria.
She
holds a Master's in International Business and a BSc in Economics.
Walter [User:Wagsegura_(WMF)] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Wagsegura_(WMF) is from
Nicaragua.
He holds a BA in Applied Economics.
*About the project "Movement-wide financial report"*
Driven by the Wikimedia Foundation's guiding principles of
transparency
and
accountability, our goal is to gather data and develop systematic
metrics
in order to provide a better understanding of financial statements.
The
aim
is to help make financial data and statements more consistent and comparable across all Wikimedia Chapters, Thematic Organizations, and
the
Wikimedia Foundation, to the benefit of the whole movement.
The idea of this project comes from the WMF Board of Trustee's Audit Committee and is supported by the Wikimedia Foundation. An initial quantitative analysis of Wikimedia Chapters and Thematic Organizations <
https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Chapters_in_Numbers
demonstrated at Wikimania 2013 by Michal Buczyński (User:Aegis Maelstrom) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Aegis_Maelstrom, highlighted
the
importance of meaningful, obtainable and unified data.
The Finance Fellows have been formed by WMF to spearhead this
project.
The
intention of this project is to enable Wikimedia Chapters and
Thematic
Organizations to benchmark activities and costs in a consistent way.
We
will begin by gathering comparable quantitative financial data about Wikimedia Chapters and Thematic Organizations. Our findings will
later
be
released movement-wide, on Meta-Wiki.
Please note that this is not an audit process. We are simply
collecting
the
data and developing global metrics. The metric is an objective
measurement
that will enable data to be consistent, meaningful and comparable
among
the
Wikimedia Chapters, Thematic Organizations, and the Wikimedia
Foundation.
We will build on existing data sets and reach out to Chapters and
Thematic
Organizations if further information is required. After processing
the
gathered information, we will confirm the data with each
organization.
In the long run, we envision that this project could be replicated annually. In this attempt to enable Wikimedia Chapters, Thematic Organizations, and the Wikimedia Foundation to help make the
movement's
financial data more consistent, we rely on the data provided by the organizations. We believe that there is enough data available to
make a
new
attempt on capturing the movement's finances as a whole.
A meta page < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement-wide_Financial_Report%3E was created for the project, in order to make the information accessible
to
everyone and create a space for discussion and/or suggestions. We
strongly
encourage you to share with us what types of additional information
is
desired.
And of course: This is all an experiment! If it does not work, we
will
try
to apply a modified 'agile' process by iterating, repeating, and
trying
again based on the feedback we are getting. If this does not seem
right,
or
if it appears we are missing something obvious, please let us know!
Thank you,
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