Well..
Actually, this is the formal letter from Israeli government official. So it is formal, governmental document. I don't know the Israeli law, but if Israel has a law which excludes official state documents from copyright this is obviously in public domain. The logo on top of the letter is an official emblem of Israel. See:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Coat_of_arms_of_Israel_%28Alternativ...
According to this "logic" COA of Israel should be deleted as well...
2014-06-22 10:03 GMT+02:00 Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com:
Well I am not an admin, but as on all other projects, you must play by the rules. I noticed the deletion notice for your letter claimed it was a "derivative work", implying that the file was uploaded as artwork. It either included a logo letterhead that has not previously been uploaded (see [1]) or it needed the PD-text license (see [2]) instead of whatever the default uploader slaps on (probably "own work").
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Logos_of_governments_and_governm... [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-text
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Itzik Edri itzik@infra.co.il wrote:
The story continues.
WMIL uploaded a letter from the Ministry of Justice, addressed to the Commons Community, which confirm that the government don't have interest on this photos. And not surprising, he was deleted from Commoms by the same person who deleted all the photos so far:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ministry_of_Justice%27s_of_Israel_re...
Hard not to feel that the reason to this massive deletions and this kind of behavior does not cross the boundaries of URAA enforcement to probably more personal views...
The original letter can be found on Hebrew Wikipedia:
https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%91%D7%A5:%D7%AA%D7%92%D7%95%D7...
Itzik
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ministry_of_Justice%27s_of_Israel_re...
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 2:34 AM, Yann Forget yannfo@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Some Commons contributors like to ask impossible requirements, and threaten to delete files if these are not met. We have now a case of famous pictures from the government of Israel and Israel Defense Forces.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Matanya#Files_and_pages_that_we...
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Beba_Idels...
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Abba_Hushi...
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Aharon_Mes...
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Avraham_Sh...
These are famous and valuable pictures, including two featured pictures on the Hebrew Wikipedia. These files have already been deleted and restored 3 times. When the URAA issue was not convincing enough, a new reson for deletion was advanced: that publication details were not given. Anyone with 2 bits of common sense can understand that these famous pictures were published soon after they were taken. There is no reasonable doubt about that. In addition, publication is not a requirement for being in the public domain in Israel.
After I restored these images, I was threatem by LGA, who is a delete-only account:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Use...
There, more contributors argue on this issue.
By asking absurb requirements about publication details, these contributors threaten the project as a whole. If insisting, it will lead people to upload pictures like these locally instead of Commons. Then the idea of a central repository for all Wikimedia projects is gone.
Instead of looking for a reason to destroy these files, they should try to find a reason to keep them.
Regards,
Yann
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