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On Feb 9, 2008 9:04 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonavaro@gmail.com wrote:
Please do understand that I for one am of the opinion that for reasons of comprehensivity, the english language wikipedia must remain a special concern, and for which reason the current swing away from an aspiration towards comprehensiveness on the english language wikipedia is to me a deeply regrettable developement.
On 2/9/08, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Who is stopping anyone from working towards a comprehensive English Wikipedia ? What makes you say this is happening? If people are not contributing towards this goal, they are surely doing something that they feel is of value. Are they, as a result, stopping you from making your goal happen? Thanks, GerardM
Well, let me first note that it is somewhat amusing to me to note how you managed to personalise this matter, having previously complained about the negative tone on this mailing list.
I was making a general point about the english wikipedia, without meaning to refer to any specific people on it.
Just to make sure I do not engage in personalizing the matter, let me use as an example an article created by a person I have myself clashed with in the past (some people will know better than others how deeply) to show how there is a palpable chilling effect for article creation on the english wikipedia. The creator of the page is a long time wikipedian, who nobody in their right mind would consider a bleeding heart inclusionist. Or more correctly, nobody in their right mind *would* have called him that, in a more gentle era.
Our article on the [[true Catholic Church]] (and yes, apparently the "true" in the name is not written with a capital "T"), which used to be a thoughtful and thorough analysis on the doctrines the church holds, is now a redirect to its leader, which is a bare biographical sketch.
If you are interested in what the "debate" for its deletion was like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/True_Catholic_C...
Just to balance things out, wikipedia doesn't have an article on the Estonian led international movement to create a LaVeyan church explicitly disavowing all evil influences, known as The Order of the Black Venus.
Both deletions are things that affect me personally not at all, but for the chilling effect they have on my perception of what is welcomed at wikipedia. But that chilling effect is real.
If you want to know what article I personally have created, has been given the cold shoulder treatement, let me just say that I know fully well, that I could source an article on [[Karri Miettinen]] aka. [[Paleface]] right up the wazoo. He was a subject of a scholarly comparative article discussing artistic practises in movie subtitle translation, authored for a top level cultural European Union panel, and has had and will continue to have media exposure (just most lately landing a position as a regular on a television game show) and publish via a major label (EMI, who specifically - according to the scholarly article referenced above - gave great liberties to his translation of Eminems movie 8 Miles song lyrics in deference to his artistic credentials and standing). But you know, I prefer to work in areas where I *don't* have to fight over every articles existence and over every sentence. I prefer to work where I feel confident that my work will be naturally accepted as constructive.
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]