On Sat, 21 Jul 2018 at 13:12, Mario Gómez mariogomwiki@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 1:41 PM, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
However when you choose to derail a discussion that is no more and no less than same sex couples being treated equally and being given equal access for parental rights and medical support, then your actions will be read as supporting the use of the law as a weapon for anti-LGBT discrimination. Saying you support LGBT rights, or that you are LGBT+ yourself, does not change the way your words affect the rest of us.
Yes, it is not the first point that I read this "you look anti-LGBT". It will probably be the case for some people. I could say that proponents of these positions _look like_ rich white people, predominantly male, who are classist and anti-women right. Is that characterization fair? I don't think so, but it might look like it for some people.
No it is not "fair", it is a way of dismissing equality for LGBT+ people by parodying and stereotyping all of us with views in this area as rich white men. That is wrapping distasteful bigoted views in soft words.
By saying these offensive things you have made this discussion a lot easier, as your complaint is based on prejudice and assumptions rather than facts, evidence or logic. Thanks for making that clear.
Again I recommend you take your lobbying to another place where others can keep asking you for evidence, reliable sources and the format may help you stick to rational discussion.
I don't think this kind of dispute can be resolved within the Wikimedia community. Doing so would push people on the "losing" position to just leave the community and let it be as ideologically homogeneous as the WMF and the winning side of the community wants it to be. I find increasingly worrying that this seems the path we're following very happily.
Best,
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