If WMF staff members are blocking volunteers out of revenge, we have much larger problems than transparency.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com wrote:
Still, in some cases the WMF global ban sounds like a revenge to an individual, and when (understandably) WMF refuses to elaborate what was the motivation for a global ban this impression gets even stronger.
Cheers Yaroslav
On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Robert Fernandez wikigamaliel@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see the point of paying for legal and community safety experts if we aren't going to allow them to engage in their area of professional expertise. Transparency, due process, and community governance are important values, but they are not the skills you need to bring to bear when it comes to issues such as, for example, predatory individuals victimizing underage editors. I know this sounds like "won't somebody think of the children!" but the thought of untrained volunteers, however sensitive and well meaning they are, attempting to deal with an issue like this frightening, and the thought of what passes for community governance on the English Wikipedia attempting to deal with this is positively bonechilling. It has very real consequences for the real, offline lives of victims and opens volunteers and projects to significant legal jeopardy.
On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 11:57 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
- Based on what I currently know, I disagree with WMF's choice to
site-ban
individuals instead of leaving that decision to the community,
particularly
when the evidence is not public. It seems to me that this practice is incompatible with transparency, due process, and community governance
of
Wikimedia content sites (which notably excludes the Foundation wiki).
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