--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
You have to consider, Milos, that these very real
problems you identify may
not be amenable to a global solution.
There is one important issue which I missed to emphasize. I haven't listed the problems which we should solve after which we would be fine. I've listed the problems which are produced by the systematic problem, which may be worded as 'we don't care a lot'. The part of that systematic problem from the past -- we didn't care a lot -- brought us to the situation where we are not able to list our functional problems.
So, I don't think that we have to start to work on particular problems (if they are not urgent). We have to start to work on the systematic problem.
on 10/27/08 11:05 PM, Birgitte SB at birgitte_sb@yahoo.com wrote:
I must disagree that the systematic problem is that we don't care enough. I would say it is that we cannot communicate effectively. The barriers to communication throughout Wikimedia are real and not just due to some lack of caring.
Birgitte,
Several attempts have been made to help improve communication skills in the Project; including something I tried to get going called "Discussion Camp" where individuals could practice and sharpen their communication skills. It was met with apathy.
The culture of the Wikipedia Community was set from the very beginning; and is, to this day, perpetuated by the disciples. That is what needs to change.
Marc Riddell