I believe Brandon is going to give it the once-over pretty soon :)
On 9 February 2012 23:09, Mono monomium@gmail.com wrote:
I say the design needs improvement; I suggest taking a look at Usernoisehttp://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/usernoise/screenshots/ for a bit of refinement.
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Howie Fung hfung@wikimedia.org wrote:
A couple quick comments:
For folks that are interested in this topic, please consider attending Oliver's Office Hours on the topic. Oliver hosts an IRC Office Hours approximately every week to discuss the project. Some are about specific topics (e.g.., today's is about oversight of comments and is thus limited to oversighters), but most are general purpose discussion where we
discuss
stuff like design direction, general workflows, and DATA. Here's a link
to
the WMF office hours schedule (Oliver's Office Hours are always listed here): http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours
One of the goals of this project is, as David states, increasing reader engagement. Ultimately, we hope that a percentage of the readers that leave constructive comments will become editors. We need to add feedback loops where if someone leaves a great comment that's acted on by the editors, that reader gets notified. Hopefully that loop will work to
draw
in readers by piquing their curiosity (and also providing some positive feedback of "Hey look! They took my suggestion -- and by the way, what
are
they doing on this talk page thing. . ." We need to get through a few
more
baseline features before we start thinking more closely about the
feedback
loop, but I at least wanted to put it out there.
Also, there will be some readers that simply will not become editors,
and I
think that's okay. Having them provide constructive feedback about what their information needs are as readers, I think, is better than having
them
not involved at all. There is, of course, the signal to noise ratio,
which
is one of the things that Oliver, Aaron Halfaker, and Dario have spent quite a bit of time researching. Having said that, we do need to be careful about creating a "someone else's problem" dynamic. One way to do this is to keep making sure these readers know that they can make the change themselves.
Howie
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org
wrote:
That's the plan. Neil, this is a concern we've taken into account;
we'll
be
testing whether (for example) the presence of the feedback page adds
2,000
comments, but kills half of our anonymous edits, or whatever. If the
harm
outweighs the benefits, we'll go back to the drawing board.
On 9 February 2012 10:38, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 9 February 2012 09:04, neil@thebabbages.com wrote:
I guess my concern is that it may encourage readers to type in
suggestions and take it no further rather than take the next step and
begin
editing themselves.
At present, the average reader doesn't even fix typos.
Definitely important to watch for any changes in the rate of new
editors
contributing. It also implicitly makes it "someone else's problem" to
fix
things compared to our current stock response of "if you see things
that
could be better, fix it yourself. " I'm not saying this is intended
but
it
runs the risk of making projects look they have people exercising
editorial
control.
If it's getting any increased reader participation in any way at all, that's a big improvement over the present. Let's see how it works
out.
(With numbers.)
- d.
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