Because the English Wikipedia community is a garbage fire, and is hellbent on demonstrating that this week.
On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 9:16 AM Paulo Santos Perneta paulosperneta@gmail.com wrote:
And why do you think the WMF would be the proper entity to step in on community issues related to the English Wikipedia?
Paulo
A quarta, 12 de jun de 2019, 13:46, Mister Thrapostibongles < thrapostibongles@gmail.com> escreveu:
Yaroslav,
I think it's reasonably clear that the English Wikipedia community and its community structures, such as its Arbitration Committee, and processes are not capable of maintaining a productive, harassment-free environment for the volunteer workers. For example, they have consistently failed, after several attempts, to handle the case of a volunteer who used the word "Cxxx" about a fellow worker, and the community has agreed that telling others to "Fxxx off" is acceptable. These are symptoms of a dysfunctional community, which tolerates behaviour that is unacceptable in any collegial working environment, and it is right that the Foundation should step in.
Thrapostibongles
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 4:56 PM Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com wrote:
The point made by pretty much everyone is not that Fram should or should not be banned, but that the process in this case should have followed the standard dispute resolution avenues, More specifically, the case should have been communicated to the Arbitration Committee, whose members did
sign
the non-disclosure agreement.
This is different from the past cases when users were banned by WMF,
since
in this case it was made clear the case is based on on-wiki open activity of Fram (and, specifically, only on the English Wikipedia). The on-wiki activity is subject to the community policies.
To be clear, I am not a friend of Fram, and in the past supported desysop on a number of occasions.
Cheers Yaroslav
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 5:46 PM Amir Sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
People who oppose the ban: Are you aware of all aspects and things Fram
has
done? Do you have the full picture? It's really saddening to see how
fast
people jump to conclusion in page mentioned in the email. I personally, don't know what happened so I neither can support or oppose the ban. As simple as that.
So what should be done IMO. If enwiki wants to know more, a community
body
can ask for more information, if body satisfy two things:
- They had signed NDA not to disclose the case
- They are trusted by the community
I think the only body can sorta work with this is stewards but not sure (Does ArbCom NDA'ed?)
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 3:58 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < paulosperneta@gmail.com> wrote:
Lack of transparency from the WMF, whatelse is new. I'm currently under a funding ban secretly decided (by who?) based
on a
false accusation, without providing any evidence. Until now I'm
waiting
for
an explanation from the WMF. So, this sort of attitude doesn't
surprise
me
at all. It is very unfortunate that the WMF apparently thrives in this kind
of
medieval obscurity, the opposite of the values of the Wikimedia
Movement.
Matter for Roles & Reponsibilities.
Best, Paulo
Benjamin Ikuta benjaminikuta@gmail.com escreveu no dia terça,
11/06/2019
à(s) 05:45:
Thanks for this.
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one dismayed by the unilateralism
and
lack of transparency.
On Jun 10, 2019, at 8:25 PM, Techman224 techman224@techman224.ca
wrote:
> Forwarding to WIkimedia-l since WikiEN-l is relatively dead. > > Since this message, an Arbcom member (SilkTork) stated that they
weren't
consulted, nor did this action was the result of Arbcom forwarding
a
concern to the office. [1] > > The only non-response excuse from the WMF [2] was that "local communities consistently struggle to uphold not just their own
autonomous
rules but the Terms of Use, too.” even though there were no
complaints
on-wiki nor to Arbcom privately. > > The on-wiki discussion is taking place at the Bureaucrats and the
Arbcom
noticeboards. > >
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#User:Fram...
<
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#User:Fram...
> >
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboa...
> > [1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Commit...
<
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Commit...
> > [2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#Statement...
> > Techman224 > >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.com >> Subject: [WikiEN-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block >> Date: June 10, 2019 at 8:54:34 PM CDT >> To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> In case you're not following on-wiki - Office S&T blocked
English
Wikipedia >> user / administrator Fram for a year and desysopped, for
unspecified
>> reasons in the Office purview. There was a brief statement here
from
>> Office regarding it which gave no details other than that normal
policy
and >> procedures for Office actions were followed, which under normal >> circumstances preclude public comments. >> >>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#User:Fram...
>> >> Several people on Arbcom and board have commented they're making
private
>> inquiries under normal reporting and communication channels, due
to
the
>> oddity and essentially uniqueness of the action. >> >> There was an initial surge of dismay which has mellowed IMHO
into
"Ok,
>> responsible people following up". >> >> I understand the sensitivity of some of the topics under Office
actions,
>> having done OTRS and other various had-to-stay-private stuff
myself
at
>> times in the past. A high profile investigation target is most
unusual
but >> not unheard of. >> >> I did send email to Fram earlier today asking if they had any
public
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