On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:41 AM, David Moran fordmadoxfraud@gmail.com wrote:
I think perhaps then the most fundamental disagreement we have is the idea that sexual images equal "harm".
FMF
The two are not necessarily equal. There are plenty of people who, upon finding a nude picture of themselves on Wikipedia, won't be too offended or hurt by it. However, there is the potential for harm in many other cases. Do a google search for "girlfriend revenge" (if you are old enough to be looking at such stuff, NSFW) and you will see my point: People post private nude images of other people on the internet as an act of hate and revenge. It's also along the same lines as the various celebrity sex tapes that get released: People take these videos in private, they get stolen or released by vengeful ex-lovers, and causes extreme embarrassment for some people.
Nude images do not necessarily equal "harm" by themselves, but they have a higher potential to do so if the uploader is being abusive then most other types of images. A picture of a nude 16 year-old and a picture of a nude 18 year-old person may look very similar, although the former would be considered child pornography and the later would not be. An image intended for private viewing in a romantic couple may appear to show a consenting model, but consenting only in the context of that private relationship.
I'm certainly anti-censorship, so I don't advocate deleting all or any nude photographs. However, asking uploaders a few basic questions about their uploaded nudes (is the depicted model above the age of consent? is the depicted model aware that this photograph was taken? Is the depicted model aware that this photo is being uploaded here?) could help a lot of people avoid a lot of problems. Remember, it's not just the WMF who risks potential problems (and admittedly as an ISP the WMF's risk is probably very low), it's the people who are being depicted abusively that are going to have the biggest problems with these images.
--Andrew Whitworth