Thank you, David; this clarifies a lot. I just wish you had managed to send this some 50 messages ago. :|
MarianoC.-
--- El mié 31-mar-10, David Castor e-post@pastorcastor.se escribió:
De: David Castor e-post@pastorcastor.se Asunto: [Foundation-l] Status report on logo copyright issues at Swedish Wikipedia Para: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Fecha: miércoles, 31 de marzo de 2010, 13:40 My name is David Castor and I am known on Swedish Wikipedia (and less known but somewhat active on Commons and a few foreign language Wikipedias) by the user name dcastor. I am one of the users who have been pushing for a change in the way we handle the copyrighted WMF logos. I would like to clarify and announce a few things on the way the dilemma is presently being handled.
First off, we have not yet made any final decisions; the topic is still open for discussion at the Swedish village pump. No changes have yet been widely implemented.
As a background it is important to know that there is an almost unchallenged consensus on Swedish Wikipedia not to allow fair use imagery, in part because the "fair use" concept is not applicable in Swedish law, Sweden being of course home soil for a majority of the users. It's been years since we blocked local media upload, now depending solely on Commons. This means, as far as I am aware, that the WMF logos are the only pictures used on Swedish Wikipedia that are not being spread under a "free" license, free in this case concerning copyright of course, and not trademark or personality rights (making comparisons to proper names irrelevant to the discussion). The use of these logos are thus the only thing standing in the way of stating that all material from Swedish Wikipedia can be freely reused, without any further permission. (The license template on the WMF logos reserve all rights and call for specific permission for use.)
The argument is not, and has never been, whether or not we are allowed to use the logos. Some users on Swedish Wikipedia as well as in this thread have given replies suggesting that they think that is what the issue is about. It is not. The issue is whether it is compliable with the principles of Wikipedia to include copyrighted material, which may not be re-used by others. I suppose that this dilemma is less problematic in jurisdictions that implement a "fair use" system, but where such are not present a copyrighted picture may not be freely redistributed.
The current discussion on Swedish Wikipedia is divided into three main branches:
1. Should we keep even the Wikipedia logo in the top left corner?
2. Should we keep the WMF logos of navigation templates placed in articles?
3. Should we illustrate articles on the Wikimedia projects with the logos?
The discussions have, as far as I can tell, led to a near consensus "yes" for question 1, with the rationale that the picture is part of the GUI rather than of the article, and a near consensus "no" for number "3". Most of a lengthy debate has been over discussion number 2.
The opinions on how to relate to number two diverge greatly. Some of us, including myself, would prefer to have all WMF logos removed from article space, including template use, making it free to redistribute printouts and PDF:s from Wikipedia articles. Some argue that since WMF will not pursuit any copyright breaches, we don't need to bother. This viewpoint is supported by those who think that the usability of the logos is too important to let the copyright issues take effect. A few have, in support of status quo, stated that there may be more to it, legally, than we know, but such claims have yet to be supported.
For some users a main perspective is that of NPOV. They argue that since no other external links are supported by pictures, neither should the links to sister projects be. Also, since no other copyrighted logo are allowed, neither should WMF:s logos be. To some of these users, the use of the logos in well framed templates is agreeable, since this implies that the links are part of the GUI rather than of the article itself.
Right now it seems like one of two suggestions will be the result of the discussions. Either (1.) to allow the WMF logos in a few specific navigation templates. These may be javascript-controlled to exclude the logos from printouts and PDF:s. This has been tested and seems to work. The second (2.) solution discussed is to implement a separate section for sister project links, including logos, in the GUI menu section on the left.
I hope that I, despite having made rather clear stands on the issue, have managed to convey a fair description of the discussion.
/David Castor
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