It means that the German Wikipedia has to respect DACH(German, Austria, Switzerland)-law as well as US-law. The first affects the authors directly. The second because the servers are hosted in US. If we don't comply with US-law the page might be taken down by US jurisdiction. It we don't comply with DACH-law we might be prosecuted by ourself.
Thats why we have to respect both laws and thats also why Commons needs to comply to the law of any country that signed the previously linked treaties.
Quite simple isn't it? But this has nothing to do with the original topic anymore. We talked about the fact, that a big majority of the German speaking contributers don't want that filter and how the WMF thinks to react onto this.
Tobias
Am 16.09.2011 13:28, schrieb Strainu:
German laws matter for german citizend. It's still not clear what that means for the rest of us (except that de.wp took a decision)
2011/9/16 emijrpemijrp@gmail.com:
Again, who are "we"? And why do German laws matter with USA servers? Why does only German Wikipedia exclude that images? Are English Wikipedia or Commons blocked in Germany?
By the way, not all German Wikipedians/readers are under German laws.
And I don't remember any Wikipedia removing content to respect Chinese local laws when Wikipedia was blocked there.
2011/9/16 Tobias Oelgartetobias.oelgarte@googlemail.com
Very simple: There is the Schutzlandprinzip. [1] To bad that EN has no article for it. But you can read the following articles to understand why this example was stupid, and that we bound to this laws, even if the servers are at nirvana:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_on_Trade-Related_Aspects_of_Intellect...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Intellectual_Property_Organization_Copyri...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Industri...
[1] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzlandprinzip
Am 16.09.2011 13:01, schrieb Strainu:
Not really, no. What does german law have to do with reading or editing some website in Tampa or Virginia from somewhere in Asia? I can understand that german nationals cannot use that image, but whatabout other germen speakers?
Strainu
2011/9/16 Lieselkoehler-liesel73@gmx.de:
Your stupid!
Am 16.09.2011 12:39, schrieb emijrp:
Hi all;
There are more issues with images in German Wikipedia.
It is funny how German Wikipedia doesn't allow images[1] (image added
by
me[2] in de:, and later removed by other[3]) because they follow the
most
restrictive copyright law from Germany, Austria and Switzerland[note
1], but
they are now against giving people the choice to hide images.
I think that we can do a nice move here. We can enable image filter in German Wikipedia for all those who don't want to see copyrighted-images-for-German-law, meanwhile allowing other people to
see
all Commons splendour. Using the image filter to improve the rights of readers of German Wikipedia. Very cool, right? ; )
Regards, emijrp
[1]
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bildrechte#Wikipedia_richtet_sich_nac...
[2]
http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alexander_Knox&oldid=81377280
[3] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Knox
[note 1] I heard there are German speaking users outside Europe, right?
I
heard too that, from Germany, you can follow interwiki and see that
images
in other Wikipedias, right? So, what is the sense of that policy? Are
not
the servers in USA?
2011/9/16 Tobias Oelgartetobias.oelgarte@googlemail.com
> Dear readers > > Yesterday, on September 15th 2011, the German Wikipedia closed the
poll
> (Meinungsbild) "Einführung persönlicher Bildfilter". [1] It asked the > question if the personal image filter can be introduced or if it
should
> not be introduced. > > A strong majority of 86% percent voted to not allow the personal image > filter [2] , despite the fact that the board already decided to > introduce the feature. > > The questions are: > * Will the board or the WMF proceed with the introduction of the > personal image filter against the will of it's second largest
community?
> * If the WMF/board does not care about the first question. Will it > affect the way the personal image filter will be implemented? For > example: Not for all projects. A different implementation as suggested > inside the "image filter referendum". > * Will there be an attempt to follow this example and to question
other
> communities the same question? > > Greetings from > Tobias Oelgarte > > [1] > >
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Einf%C3%BChrung_pers%C...
> [2] > >
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Einf%C3%BChrung_pers%C...
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