Actually, we're trying to avoid turning off AFT4. The reasoning is twofold.
On a product development front, the AFT5 presence is for testing purposes, and for testing purposes only; it will be up for around 2-3 weeks so we can build a decent picture of the quantity and quality of feedback we're getting. While this process is going on, we want to maintain a pretty coherent interface for the readers to avoid confusion - and AFT4 is much closer to AFT5 than no form at all is.
On a data front, because the AFT5 presence is only for tests, and is only temporary (at least at the moment) there's no question of AFT4 feedback being ignored; the actual replacement of AFT4 with AFT5 on a wider scale is still quite some time away, and until that happens, I hope any AFT4 feedback will be taken into account.
On 22 December 2011 14:06, Liam Wyatt liamwyatt@gmail.com wrote:
Good-o. That's what I also understood your & Erik's emails to mean :-)
So - with regards to my original question....? In summary it was: Now that the new versions (AFTv5) of the tool are being tested on 0.3% of en.wp, can you turn off the now-obsolete "5-star rating" version currently running on the remaining 99.7% of en.wp, please?
-Liam
Peace, love & metadata
On 23/12/2011, at 0:11, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
That's correct, Tom. 0.3 percent of the English language Wikipedia is
being
used as a testbed for the *rest* of the English-language Wikipedia; a tertiary testbed, since we've already run things through on both
prototype
and labs :). Obviously if we decide "lets deploy to other projects" we'd take localised concerns into account, and not just jump in. With the last version, interestingly, we had several projects *request* that we switch
it
on.
On 22 December 2011 13:02, Tom Morris tom@tommorris.org wrote:
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 02:56, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonavaro@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry, did a double-take there. Tell me I read that wrong, please! My eyes must be deceiving me or my reading comprehension not being quite up to the task right now... But some weird brainfart made me read that in such a way that you were suggesting that the english language wikipedia would be used as a test bed for what should be deployed side-wide. Please tell me I am hallucinating, misreading you grotesquely, or there is some other clear communication disconnect!
Site-wide means "on all of English" not "on all projects" (which would be "cross-wiki" or "cross-project"). Currently AFT5 is deployed on a subset of enwp articles (about 11,000) for testing. From what I can gather, there is a fairly long process of testing planned to see whether the deployment on English is an improvement on the existing AFT. After that process, if it is deemed to be an improvement and the objections have been fixed, then it is possible to offer it to other wikis.
The small deployment on English will be used to inform the decision as to whether to roll it out fully on English, not on all projects.
It's a fairly major change, so I think the Foundation are (correctly) being conservative in their rollout on English, and being careful to collect data to inform a community decision in the future. It's not suddenly going to turn up on projects other than enwiki without a lot more discussion and consultation.
But then I've just been watching the process quietly from the sidelines: I may have got this all wrong.
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