On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Peter Gervai grinapo@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 17:50, Andre Engels andreengels@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure whether I am though. This message plus the discussion that was the base of it has cost me 50 Euros in things I broke throwing them through my room, plus a severe loss of feeling of self-worth. I don't think that's worth it.
By the way I'm sure there are several of us who agree in Jefrrey being very much off limits, offending, and doing it at the wrong place, which is usually shortened as "being a troll".
Wikipedia, wikimedia and the people around here are working with, based on and most definitely agree with open content and other free licenses, the whole project lives of and based on them, so starting a propaganda against it _HERE_ is definitely a very unwise and offending move. Without much thinking it's obvious that it will generate strong emotions, harsh attacks, and lots of ad hominem debates, and nothing, really nothing good will be created as a result.
Not accepting the fact that people who create open content are going to fight against businesses who try to destroy open content is a clueless thing to do. Debating it is similarly clueless act. You do not start debate someone's existence with him.
I (among others) strongly agree in Jeffrey being moderated until he realise that his propaganda really does not belong here. It is against almost everybody's world view around here, and offending a whole community with reasons we consider at best baseless is extremely counterproductive.
And, as a sidenote, we're not pirates, robbers, murderers or rapers. [And other artifically emotion-filled buzzwords supporting the closed-content based businesses, pick your favourite.] We _create_ open content. We _create_ copyrighted materials (and license them for free). Jeffrey, among others, is using our products, our content. That is what Creative Commons is about. To protect our interests, business or other. And who are you, or anyone, to attack our interests based on our own content...?
And as a different sidenote: if you hate it, stop using it. Try to live your life without using open source, open content. Go on. First, stop using this list, because it is run on open source software, running on open source servers. Then you may well unplug your internet connection, since good chance is that you connect to one of such servers. You mostly better stop using the web, since the servers are open source by large. Stop email. You may even have to avoid some mobile phones, Tv set top boxes, DVD players, music players, and so on. Oh and avoid Wikipedia, and other Wikimedia content, and mostly all wikis. Fortuinately you can eat and drink and breath. But avoid computers since they'll surely pollute your business-based pureness with open content filth. *smirk*
I first checked is he a board member of WM AU. Fortunately, he is not.
I am agreed with everything, except that there are some of us who politically support free usage of copyrighted material. And I didn't know that Lessig supports it. Thanks to Ottava, I am positively changing my position toward Lessig.