I didn't like the assumption of bad faith earlier on part of the team, the fundraising team [1] as you would note, consists of Community members from different locations and backgrounds. I am from India, Moushirah is from Egypt, Dan and James are community members who also work remotely, all of us are community members working on the fundraiser together. Philippe himself has been a long-standing community member for the past few years before joining the foundation. The implication of an Us Vs. them mentality here, is counter-productive to our common goal.
The banner in question was created yesterday and barely went live for a very short time before MZ mentioned it on the list. It was rectified within hours once there was an objection raised, this I thought, was an example of the community working together.
Also, as someone who has a different background than the majority of people on the list, I can speak to the recognizability factor of Wikipedia Vs. Wikimedia. I can personally attest to uncertainty between the association of Wikimedia with Wikipedia. As a matter of fact, I agree that the we should inform the readers about the difference and the relation between the two, but you also must understand that there are constraints to what we can do with a banner. We have a limited amount of space on each banner to connect with our readers, Jimmy's appeal as the Wikipedia Founder has worked incredibly well so far, so have the editor appeals, we took some liberty with the intoduction and took the shorter approach in light of direct statistical evidence between our options. It was never our intention to deceive or imply anything beyond the facts.
My only issue is with the assumption of Bad faith on our part, we did the best considering the data that was available. In light of the reaction, changes were made as quickly as possible and the differences clarified.
Regards
Salmaan Haroon User:Theo10011 Community Associate
[1]http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2010/Staff http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2010/Staff
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:30 AM, KIZU Naoko aphaia@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Zack Exley zexley@wikimedia.org wrote:
OK, everyone -- I learned my lesson! Thanks for teaching it.
I was looking at it from the perspective of the reader who has never
heard
the word "Wikimedia". There are millions and millions of them. Luckily
they
simply think we are misspelling Wikipedia, and are donating anyways. We
will
continue to answer their emails alerting us to our error with patient explanations.
I'm pretty sympathetic with you. I got same kind emails on OTRS queues I'm taking care of too.
How about having Jimmy (in the next time? Or right now?) add one line to his personal message for donors something to try clarification on that, on Wikimedia Foundation is founded for fostering Wikipedia and other sister projects? Donors may notice - at least some of them hopefully.
-- Zack Exley Chief Community Officer Wikimedia Foundation
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
2010/12/9 Delphine Ménard notafishz@gmail.com:
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Thomas Dalton <
thomas.dalton@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 9 December 2010 18:54, Michael Snow wikipedia@frontier.com
wrote:
While I understand the challenges in communicating effectively with
a
variety of audiences, I think the point that's been raised is that
for
a
project that is all about trying to describe things as accurately as possible, much of the community feels that in order to maintain a
basic
level of accuracy, it's worth it to forgo whatever additional money
we
might raise by giving it up. To phrase it differently, this is not a messaging decision that should be left to the outcome of AB testing. That's an argument to which I'm sympathetic.
That certainly describes my position very well. Thank you.
And mine. My thanks too.
To even imply that Wikipedia has an executive director is not only a falsehood, but also somehow undermines all the efforts the Wikimedia community has put in over the years to differentiate Wikimedia from Wikipedia, and more importantly, to make sure that it was clear that Wikimedia organisations (chapters and Foundation alike) have no power over editorial content.
Delphine
I agree completely with Michael Snow and Delphine. The impulse is understandable, but it's a mistake to encourage a misunderstanding that can undermine the confidence of the public in Wikipedia's independence and create confusion about the structure of the WMF and its projects.
Nathan
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