I doubt that scale is only thing which matters.
Sweden has a set of elites who all know each other and have developed consensus, and, perhaps, learned how to do that well.
What I know is that Ukraine has a big split between Russians and Ukrainians. But do nationalistic Russians even bother with the Ukrainian Wikipedia? Do you have a lot of Canadian contributors?
In the United States distance defeats us. A meet up in New York City is almost as far way as Hong Kong.
Fred
As to me both enWP and ukWP suffers from lack of community (extremely important word in Anders' comment) as that despite the fact that fist is much larger 'town' (even 'city') than svWP, and second is small 'village'.
I mean community solid enough to 'behave' like one organization (Lars Gardenius pointed to importance of it earlier) .
...and yes, comment *> I'm sure the
community of editors is rather small, but they must come from very diverse backgrounds.*
(from later note) is 100% correct about Ukraine. ...but isn't it similar to enWP, where people come from different countries, so "*diverse backgrounds*" as well? ...which this way or another prevent creation of solid community (whatever is the size of it)
Sincerely, Pavlo
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Fred Bauder fredbaud@fairpoint.net wrote:
That's Sweden all right, it's like a small town. Thousands of administrators from scores of countries is another matter. Even requests for administration is very difficult as, unless you do big time research, or spend your life monitoring others edits and activity, you just don't know much. Voting has the same downside; because of the volume you just don't have enough information to register an informed opinion, at least about individuals. The people you encounter in daily activities while editing is only a tiny sliver.
Fred
It is no magic *yearly reelection of administrators/sysops has meant no bullying
types
are sysops any more *we are a small community with just a few hundred active. And we have decided to treat everyone (who are serious) as valuable individuals, and go a very long way to make all feeling welcome, stop behaving as overdog/underdog and also to try special solutions for troublesome
users
that enable them to not being blocked but having restrictions on
certain
type of activities. Both people who have temporary maniac periods and with autism symptoms can be useful contributers if handled right by
the
communities.
But these experiences can not be extended to everywhere. en:wp have
20
times the number of contributers then sv:wp and of course this means need of different ways of handling problems. I do not pretend to have anything to teach en:wp, but as said I find nothing useful for sv:wp hearing of the challenges on en:wp
Anders
Pavlo Shevelo skrev 2013-09-05 13:36:
Sorry, but I'm not agree with your note, Anders.
My home WP is not en: (it's uk: in fact) but everything being
discussed
is very (100%) applicable for our community.
Lucky you are in se:WP that you have no similar issues/problems but perhaps you've collected some magical know-how how to avoid said troubles.
If
so would you please share that knowledge & experience?
Sincerely, Pavlo