This is very true; there is a gap between what (most) beginners like to do and what would be wise to do. Some education colleagues told me that their beginners never wanted to edit elsewhere than on the real Wikipedia, not on an educational wiki. That beginners what to write "an article of their own" as the first thing, and are not interested in free knowledge, free licenses etc.
I compare that to someone who wants to get a drivers license. Riding on the highway, that's great, but learning for the theoretical exam, few are eager to. :-)
Kind regards Ziko
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2013/10/15 Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.ramk@wikimedia.in:
That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to bother. They just start editing articles right away.
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Sophie Osterberg sosterberg@wikimedia.orgwrote:
Srikanth, why don't you let them use their sandbox then to learn VE?
2013/10/15 Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.ramk@wikimedia.in
Honestly speaking I'd disable Visual Editor for new users. They have a tendency of making errors.
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jan Ainali jan.ainali@wikimedia.se wrote:
From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified
with
something like:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&enablevisua...
which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no idea.
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2013/10/15 Craig Franklin cfranklin@halonetwork.net
Hear hear.
I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't
possibly
win,
given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on
enwiki
(see
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical...
, for those who aren't aware). Turn it on, turn it off; either way
someone
gets upset.
From a pure technical standpoint, is it possible to put a checkbox on
the
new user page or something so that new users can turn it on without
having
to delve deep into the untamed wilderness that is the user
preferences
page?
Cheers, Craig
On 15 October 2013 21:54, Richard Nevell <
richard.nevell@wikimedia.org.uk
wrote:
I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when
training
new
editors isn't my preferred method.
Richard
On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk vandijk@wmnederland.nl
wrote:
> Hello, > > I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as > possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning
of
the
> session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget
that
> beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the
more
> you can reduce, the better. > Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like
Wikipedia
but
> is best suited to use in trainings. > > Kind regards > Ziko > > > > > > > >
> Dr. Ziko van Dijk > voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland > > Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland > Postbus 167 > 3500 AD Utrecht > http://wikimedia.nl > >
> > > 2013/10/15 Charles Andrès charles.andres.wmch@gmail.com: > > Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out
option
> (disable visual editor) :-( > > > > Charles > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > I use this email for mailing list only. > > > > Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer > > "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free
knowledge
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> > www.wikimedia.ch > > Skype: charles.andres.wmch > > IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch > > > > Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador <
kwadzo459@gmail.com>
a
> écrit : > > > >> Hello Charles, > >> > >> I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration
process.
> >> > >> To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login > >> > >> 1. Go to ---> Preferences --> Click Editing tab. > >> 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box
beside
> Enable VisualEditor (only in the main and user namespaces) > >> > >> > >> OR > >> > >> Follow this link >
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing
> >> Then repeat step 2 above. > >> > >> Hope it helps. > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Enock S. Nyamador. > >> > >> ----------------------- > >> Writer | Wikimedian > >> Planning Wikimedia Ghana | About.me | Blog > >> C: +233 (0)27 565 7589 > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Charles Andres < > charles.andres.wmch@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear all, > >> > >> In our new education program with youngs in scholar
difficulties,
we
> have the problem that only half of the new accounts have the
visual
editor > activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of
editing.
> >> > >> Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for
a
> specific user? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Charles > >> > >> ___________________________________________________________ > >> Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer > >> "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free
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