James
If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then your statement is both meaningless and ineffectual. If you are specific, then "we" need to know why you feel able to speak for "us".
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
@ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not support terrorism."
J
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
"As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with. WhiIe left it is very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of
contradiction, I
think it misees the point. We provide information, neutral information. Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than encourages certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information with the goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a neutral, reliable sourgent, thus defeating any such goal.
Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't support terrorism, that the statements are on their face absurd, that we clearly document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions both in
the
Middle East and the wider world, and tother encourage anyone who doubts this to read our articles on the subject.
On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman" jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not impartial
to
everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of freedom
of
information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that we as a movement oppose terrorism.
Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey
James
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is impartial,
or
at
least substantially so. This impartiality may be a threat to some,
but
it
could be counter-productive to make statements which are not
carefully
thought through. Those who support repressive regimes can easily be
pushed
into an absolutist mindset.
On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez" galaver@gmail.com wrote:
+1 to Ting's idea about a statement
Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and e-mails to
our
local
embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks turkish
can
support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi but maybe
is
incorrect.
Best,
2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen wing.philopp@gmx.de:
I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a statement
that
decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That Wikipedia
supports
terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement which
stresses
our
principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but the
first
and
most important statement is to contradict the accusation.
Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize how
important
it
is to make such a statement. When national newspapers and
broadcasts
are
referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.html )
this
event,
there should be not only the accusation but always also a
reaction.
Greetings
Ting
Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel:
> Hey, > > FYI - sad news from Turkish. > > > > *Regards,Itzik Edri* > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
share
in
the
> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il > Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM > Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia > To: Communications Committee wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909 > > Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon
all
over
> the news. > > > --- > > *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online > encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular
websites.*
> > It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. > The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from
08:00
(05:00
> GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. > People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any
Wikipedia
pages
> without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). > "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the
Law
Nr.
> 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this
website,"
Turkey's
> Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted
as
saying.
> No reason was given. > Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily
News,
said
> the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court
ruling
in
> the > next few days. > > Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some
users
> speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on
President
> Recep > Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. > Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on
increasing
> his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country. > Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites
including
> Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass
protests
> or terror attacks. > The government has previously denied censoring the internet,
blaming
> outages on spikes in usage after major events. > > > > *Regards,Itzik Edri* > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> |
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