I don't think you've interacted on these mailing lists or on-wiki a lot, have you?
As far as I can see, barring maybe my last line in the previous reply, I was civil thorough-out, maybe sarcastic or acerbically restrained. You don't know me, but I assure you this was not me attempting to be rude.
Second, as far as tones go on a written medium, I would say I dislike your authoritative tone generally, especially when you dismiss my or other's arguments. That is not helpful either.
You are however, more than free to ignore me to avoid any further acrimony.
Theo
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 4:44 AM, Achal Prabhala aprabhala@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Theo, I find your tone needlessly rude - do you really think this is the best way to communicate?
It makes it very difficult to have a useful conversation.
Best wishes, Achal
On 11 November 2011 18:07, Theo10011 de10011@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, we disagreed on a couple of things during the filter discussion on this very list, I'm sure you can look it up.
Along with the local discussions, your thoughts on the strategy plan, and movement roles, I wasn't there at the time to disagree so I suppose you have no idea. You are more than welcome to bring any of this up on Internal-l however, I would be happy to go into much more detail for your elucidation.
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Achal Prabhala aprabhala@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Theo
On 11 November 2011 14:10, Theo10011 de10011@gmail.com wrote:
Ohai Achal
As usual, I disagree.
??
I didn't realise we disagree frequently...you must fill me in off list
:)
I am a bit more informed of the current situation than most people, maybe not as much as the current WMF advisory board member but who knows.
Theo, this isn't a competition. I value your perspective, as do several other people.
Never said it is.
My opinion on this is from a regular community member before much of
the
community in other cities was active. I am not affiliated with the
chapter
or the India operations.
Honestly, from my proximity, and I have been in close proximity for a
while
to both entities, there is some tension and a sense of antagonism on
a
lot
of issues. The fact they can't and usually don't co-ordinate before,
only
heightens the issue.
While I value your perspective on this issue, I think it would be also helpful to hear from people who have a direct relationship with the chapter, and from people who are in a formal/semi-formal community
grouping
who've interacted with the chapter and Foundation in India. I don't disagree with you or dispute what you say; I just think that there are
many
others who are in a better position to speak to this.
So by implication, you mean I have no direct relationship with the
chapter
and India operations. I don't think I ever stopped being active on the local mailing lists or the conference organizing committee to be
considered
not-direct, however, I can't say the same for you or others. I can go
into
the specifics of my involvement with the foundation in India, with things like the office, all the India-operation pages on Meta, the regular IRC meetings I moderated as well as my work for the chapter like customizing the chapter wiki, Wikiconference pages, general outreach etc.. Again, I'm not sure if my work qualifies me to comment or be considered direct,
which
you seem to be entitled to judge.
I find it odd since you are dismissing Anirudh for being in the chapter
and
not in the country, and then me for being in the country and not on the chapter or in proximity. You suggested asking the organizers in your last mail, last I checked I was one of them. Pranav also responded but he also happens to be on a "fellowship"/grant, I'm not.
As for solicitation and being open for the famed India education
program, I
recall mentioning this to Hisham when he first brought it up, weeks
after
he was hired. My opinion at the time, and now is, he did it in the
wrong
city, the wrong colleges and with the wrong people. I still stand by
my
opinion.
You brought up Anirudh's physical presence as affecting his judgement
about
the chapter.
Actually no.
Anirudh is not speaking for the chapter, and clearly said he is
speaking
for himself. I respect that. I'm simply reiterating that as he has been
in
Cambodia the last year or so, he hasn't attended chapter meetings, the
AGM,
or participated in any of the chapter events (physically) - which I,
and
several other people based here, have. Anirudh is a long standing and dedicated Wikipedian who has every right to an opinion; I'm merely
pointing
out that living in the country whose Wikimedia chapter you are a board member of is likely to provide more opportunities to do things for the chapter and not make it "redundant".
First you say he's not speaking for the chapter, only himself, which you respect then you proceed to make an argument how he is unfit to speak for the chapter? I'm not sure how someone's physical presence or attending certain meetings relates to their effectiveness on the board, certainly their personal opinion. I pointed out there are several chapters with little or no restrictions to its board members being resident or present
in
the country, again, you are more than free to check. I also don't understand the point of quoting redundant, are those quotes intended to
be
ironic?
I'm not sure how his physical presence is related to this, I would go so far as to say, it's his personal business. One that you don't exactly
have
a position to question, just as much as someone else does to question yours, helping chapters and communities in two continents. Can someone
ask
you to stop representing India as the advisory board member when you represent South Africa or vice-versa, after missing a couple of meetings? Last I checked the board of a chapter was a non-paid volunteer position.
I would like to point out that the India offices are located in Delhi, the foundation offices in San Francisco, neither of those
put
you
in a better position to comment than Anirudh. Many chapters and you
can
check if you like, have board members who are not resident or are temporarily resident outside a country. It is usually a chapter's
decision,
if they have objections or not.
As for the Media getting it wrong, well, it's sad you can't correct everyone on what the "Movement" is or where it should be headed.
I'm not entirely sure if you're being sarcastic here, Theo, but
assuming
good faith, I'll assume that you mean (like Sue pointed out) that the
media
does tend to confuse terms that sound and look similar.
I was indeed being sarcastic. (Someone call [[WP:OMGcom]] )
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