no or barely a community. Most of the wiki's are small sized, and many show little activity. It is much easier, and would in practice be almost the same, to just automatically opt in projects...
BR, Lodewijk
2008/2/1, Birgitte SB birgitte_sb@yahoo.com:
The problem with opt-out is that a wiki must know this even *exists* in order to opt-out. So if you are capable of notifing all the village pumps in a language they can comprehend, this is reasonable. If you are not capable of that, opt-out is not reasonable. If this is mainly for wiki's with no community, then allow stewards to "opt-in" such wiki's. If they have no community, they will not object.
Birgitte SB
--- effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I agree with your concerns. However, currently a similar system is already active, proxyblocker. This system blocks some (I dont know how many) proxies, detected somewhere in 2005. Dont worry, no new blocks are being added, but some are still in place. The user just gets a message that he is blocked by proxyblocker. We could pick a logical name to appear in the message, that would point to meta. Maybe CrosswikiBlocker, or VandalbotBlocker or something.
Opt-in is not workable. This new thing is mainly for wiki's with no community. You can only opt in if you have a community. Hence, opt in would not work. After all, the stewards mainly have to block bots on wiki's with no or almost no normal edits. when there are people around, and they have sysops and a community, they can handle it themselves generally. However, I would plea for opt-out.
For the unblocking, I do not think that should be a major issue, if we would choose for a maximum of a block in the range of 1 day-1week. In that case, the chance that someone is affected by that block, but is not the person who was doing the malicious edits, is quite slim. Furthermore, that person will survive to wait a day or a week, no big harm done. If it proofs to be a major blocker for a specific community, ie they would only have one IP for a whole country or something, they could opt out.
BR, Eia
2008/1/31, Birgitte SB birgitte_sb@yahoo.com:
--- Andrew Gray shimgray@gmail.com wrote:
On 31/01/2008, Birgitte SB
wrote:
This is the key problem. I think that unless
we
are
capable of notifing all wikis of about the
workings of
this process in a language they are proficient
taking
blocks Wikimedia wide will cause a lot of
harm.
Of
course an opt-in system would be very
workable.
Would logging it in the local block-log system
be an
acceptable method of notification?
I was more thinking first about a notification
that
this ability even *exists* before addressing notification individual blocks. However regarding individual blocks what language are you proposing
the
local log entry be written in?
The only reasonable way to do this is to have the
log
entries be a consistent pre-arranged formula that links to a local page explaining the system in the local language. The best way to ensure that all
this
is set-up is to use an opt-in system that requires these things be set-up before blocks .
Anything else means some wiki(s) will wake up one
day
to realize there are inexplicable blocks in place. Likely with logs entries they cannot read. And
very
likely when they start making inquiries no one
will be
able to explain what has happened to them own
language
leading to further misunderstandings.
Seriously make a system to handle these blocks and require every wiki wishing to join the system file
a
bug and things will go much more smoothly. If the stewards find they are doing tedious manual blocks
on
a certain wiki, they can encourage the that wiki
to
file the bug.
Birgitte SB
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