but the information is exactly the same, url, date, author, title - the refn template can include anything you need to add including license detail ie cc-by all of which can be internal or external links
On 28 August 2017 at 00:26, John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com wrote:
Citation and reuse is two different things.
On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
that notice states that text has been used, a specific citation where the text would add context by using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Template:Refn
On 27 August 2017 at 22:22, John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com wrote:
Use of a template does not accurately identify the copied text, and in
this
case nor the author.
The license is the contract with the author and the reason why the text
can
be copied. If the license says the author shall be identified, the by attribution clause, then a link to the site is not good enough. If the share alike clause is given, then it is even harder to give correct
credit,
as the request for credit can be pretty weird.
Anyhow, a page that is later edited is not necessarily something the external editor has created, he or she has created a part that at some point in time was incorporated in the page, and the present page may
not
even contain this content anymore.
On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com
wrote:
There is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:CC-notice on en at
least
specifically for the purpose of incorporating text licensed cc-by
content
within articles
On 27 August 2017 at 21:28, John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com
wrote:
In some cases we need to attribute content created on external
sites,
and
reused on Wikimedia-sites. In Norway Åndsverksloven says "The
creator
has
the right to be named according to good practice" ("Opphavsmannen
har
krav
på å bli navngitt slik som god skikk tilsier") and for our content
that
is
given by our license and our terms of use. That means by a link to
the
page
if possible, or if possible an entry in the history.
Now we use a template on the page itself, or similar, but it is not
the
page on our site that the external entity has provided, they have
provided
the content at their site. So we must say that in some consistent
way.
I believe that the best option would be to have a log entry
injected
into
the history for our page that says "this revision comes in full or
part
from that external source". Such an entry could be made by the
editor
or
by
an administrator, but must be made as an extension of the revision.
It
should also be possible to delete such an entry.
An alternative could be to make the summary editable, but the
summary
is
the description of the revision, not the source of the revision.
Does this make sense? Will it solve the problem, or is it just
another
level that makes things more confusing?
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