Am 23.10.2011 08:49, schrieb Nikola Smolenski:
On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 23:35 +0200, Tobias Oelgarte wrote:
Why? Because it is against the basic rules of the project. It is intended to discriminate content. To judge about it and to represent you
No, it is intended to let people discriminate content themselves if they want, which is a huge difference.
If I feel that this judgment is inadequate, I will turn the filter off. Either way, it is My Problem. Not Your Problem.
It is not the user of the filter that decides *what* is hidden or not. That isn't his decision. If it is the case that the filter does not meet his expectations and he does not use it, then we gained nothing, despite the massive effort taken by us to flag all the images. You should know that we already have a massive categorization delay on commons.
easily exploited by your local provider to hide labeled content, so that you don't have any way to view it, even if you want to.
Depending on the way it is implemented, it may be somewhat difficult for a provider to do that. Such systems probably already exist on some websites, and I am not aware of my provider using them to hide labelled content. And even if my provider would start doing that, I could simply use Wikipedia over https.
If your provider is a bit clever he would block https and filter the rest. An relatively easy job to do. Additionally most people would not know the difference between https and http, using the default http version.
And if providers across the world start abusing the filter, perhaps then the filter could be turned off. I just don't see this as a reasonable possibility.
Well, we don't have to agree on this point. I think that this is possible with very little effort. Especially since images aren't provided inside the same document and are not served using https.
If you want a filter so badly, then install parental software, close
It is my understanding that parental software is often too overarching or otherwise inadequate.
Same would go for a category/preset based filter. You and I mentioned it above, that it isn't necessary better from the perspective of the user, leading to few users, but wasting our time over it.
your eyes or don't visit the page. That is up to you. That is your
If I close my eyes or don't visit the page, I won't be able to read the content of the page.
That is the point where a hide all/nothing filter would jump in. He would let you read the page without any worries. No faulty categorized image would show up and you still would have the option to show images in which you are interested.
But feel free to read the arguments: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Einf%C3%BChrung_pers%C...
It seems to me that the arguments are mostly about a filter that would be turned on by default. Most of them seem to evaporate when applied to an opt-in filter.
None of the arguments is based on a filter that would be enabled as default. It is particularly about any filter that uses categorization to distinguish the good from evil. It's about the damage such an approach would do the project and even to users that doesn't want or need the feature.
The German poll made clear, that not any category based filter will be allowed, since category based filtering is unavoidably non-neutral and a censorship tool.
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