I don't read Ziko's concern as one that suggests to exclude developers or teachers.
I read it as a suggestion that "... and beyond" is too inclusive, and thus it doesn't mean much. This is a concern that I share myself. I'm all for being inclusive, but the whole point of defining something is that it should have _some_ limits.
If Ziko have meant something else, I'll be happy to know.
I'm assuming good faith on everybody's behalf. We come from different cultures, we have different ideas, and we have different native languages. That's precisely why we need clearer definitions, not fuzzier ones.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2017-10-02 17:12 GMT+03:00 Joseph Seddon josephseddon@gmail.com:
Based on your definition of community does that mean that mediawiki developers are not part of the Wikimedia community?
Are people who volunteer in the real world or teachers who incorporate Wikipedia into their classes not part of the Wikimedia community?
Members of staff of GLAM institutions who we partner with and who evangelise on our behalf? Are they not part of the Wikimedia community?
This more inclusive definition has long been used by some affiliates.
To exclude these individuals would be against the very values of openness that we claim to represent and to be blunt, simply alienating.
Seddon
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Ziko's point may not fit the rigid Americanocentric ideal of everything must be positive, fantastic, yeehaw-we-are-number-one, but he's spot on with how the foundations remain flawed.
Only ever hearing congratulations and thanks can get you to a win, but
will
never keep you there.
Return to the talk page and use the criticism to help meaningful improvements, please.
Fae https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LGBT+ http://telegram.me/wmlgbt
On 2 Oct 2017 14:56, "Ziko van Dijk" zvandijk@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Katherine,
This is actually sad news. In my opinion, the draft is far away from
being
a useful and appropriate document for our future.
The serious issues from the talk page are only partially addressed in the rewrite. So I contest your claim: "The version on Meta-Wiki is based on
the
feedback you offered."
You have announced that organizations and individuals are invited to endorse the draft. Will there also be a possibility to reject the draft?
I
remember the 2011 image filter referendum, when the WMF asked the
community
how important it finds the filter, but not giving the option to be
against
it. https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image_filter_referendum/en& uselang=en
The drafts tries to enforce a new definition of the "community": "from editors to donors, to organizers, and beyond". I thought that "community" were people who are contributing to the wiki Wikipedia on a regular basis as volunteers.
I am very positive of having an open Wikimedia *movement*. But if in
future
more or less everybody will be *community*: that is in fact abolishing
the
community.
Kind regards, Ziko van Dijk
2017-09-30 22:28 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org:
Hi all,
Since my update last month, we have been collecting, processing, and including your most recent input into the lastest version of the
movement
strategic direction. This version is available on Meta-Wiki.[1]
We're so close! The direction will be finalized tomorrow, October 1. Starting tomorrow, we will begin to invite individuals and groups to endorse our movement's strategic direction. I want to share my greatest thanks and appreciation for the work and contributions so many of you
have
made throughout this first phase (Phase 1) of developing a shared
strategic
direction.
In the coming weeks we will be preparing for Phase 2, which will
involve
developing specific plans for how we achieve the direction we have
built
together. I do not have many more details to share right now, but will
of
course offer an update as they become available.
*Strategic direction*. Thank you to everyone who provided feedback on
the
draft introduced at Wikimania. The version on Meta-Wiki is based on the feedback you offered.
*Endorsements*. Once the strategic direction closes tomorrow, organizations, groups, and individuals within the movement will be
invited
to endorse the direction, in a show of support for the future we are building together. We'll be sending an update next week on the process
and
timeline.
*Concluding Phase 1*. Please join me in offering thanks to the
volunteers,
staff, and contractors who came together to make this possible! As we transition into Phase 2, some of these roles will be concluded and new
ones
created in their place. We'll keep you updated.
*Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2017*. I was fortunate to join Wikimedians from Central and Eastern Europe (CEE) last weekend at the sixth annual
Wikimedia
CEE Meeting[2] in Warsaw, Poland. Nicole Ebber and Kaarel Vaidla led a series of discussions on the direction, including what it means for
CEE.[3]
Thank you our hosts, Wikimedia Polska, and to all of the attendees for
such
a wonderful event!
*In other news.* I've heard from many people how much you appreciate
these
updates as a means of keeping track about what is going on. I'm talking
to
the Communications department about keeping them going once the
strategic
planning process concludes, with a focus on more general updates. Keep
the
feedback coming.
Since my last update, our planet has reminded us of its incredible and often unforgiving strength. My thoughts, and those of many within the Wikimedia Foundation, are with our Wikimedia family which have been affected by the natural disasters of recent weeks. We have been in
touch
with our affiliates in the areas impacted, and will offer any support
we
can.
Finally, as our CFO Jaime mentioned last week,[3] the Foundation is in
the
process of moving into our new office, in One Montgomery Tower. We
invite
you to visit its new page on Meta-Wiki.[4]
We are at the halfway mark of this movement strategy process, and I am incredibly proud of the work we have done together on the strategy.
Thank
you, again, to everyone for your contributions to this process. We have more work ahead but should be proud of what we have achieved already.
Ten cuidado (Spanish translation: “Be safe”),
Katherine
movement/2017/Direction
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2017 [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_% E2%80%93_Movement_Strategy.pdf [4] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017- September/088654.html [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_headquarters
-- Katherine Maher Executive Director
*We're moving on October 1, 2017! **Our new address:*
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