Guys,
This isn't a war, it's an argument on the internet. No-one is dying and no-one is being shot at. No-one is even being arrested and I doubt anyone has even been shouted at in person.
Can we please view this as what it is - a technical issue which can be resolved - rather than throwing around words like "war" and "firing shots" and "thermonuclear"?
Once again: This isn't a war, it's an argument on the internet, and it can be solved if we all act pleasantly.
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On 11 August 2014 15:35, Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 11, 2014 1:57 AM, "phoebe ayers" phoebe.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:12 AM, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Hi.
....
I'm interested to read others' views about options and ways forward
here.
I think the most helpful thing would be to not attempt to start wars, and particularly not on behalf of anyone or against individuals. We are all
on
the same side here: trying to make the projects (and the project interfaces, as a part of that) better. That includes, for instance,
trying
out a new way of viewing photographs.
I assume of course and as always that you send your message from a place
of
also wanting the projects to be better and more usable. But it is hard to see how anything you suggest above gets us there.
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Helpful to not start wars? Well, yes, that would be helpful. But the war is already underway, started by the shots Erik has fired.
The question now is how we restore peace. But "Shut up and give up local control" is not the answer to that question. As with any conflict, hard lines will lead to escalation and digging in.
There are steps we could take to ensure changes are desired and welcomed by local communities. Some need to take place on the community side, many on the WMF side. But ramming unwanted stuff in is not the way there.
If Erik will not step back from this brink, I fear we will see more escalation. This isn't just about Media Viewer, or Visual Editor, or ACTRIAL. It is about WMF being seen as usurping local project control to deploy its pet projects. Whether that perception is right or not, perception is reality here.
Your move, Erik. Please don't continue on this road. We're supposed to be on the same side. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe