Agreed. This work is absolutely fantastic, and OWID itself is a wonder of the data-viz world, run by a small team, advancing what it means to effectively convey the sum of current knowledge on a topic. We should actively support them however possible.
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 2:38 PM F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
As per the last input by James Heilman regarding multilingualism:
Whatever translations we could implement in the interactive graphs that may imply some kind of a “mirroring back” to OWID, is a win-win for both projects and for the sake of free knowledge. Considering the relevance of OWID in academic environments, it would be great that our efforts in adapting them on-wiki for our articles can revert to a better language accessibility there as well.
Salutacions/Kind regards,
Xavier Dengra
As per the latest input by James El dc, 17 abr., 2024 a 22:41, James Heilman <jmh649@gmail.com <El+dc,+17+abr.,+2024+a+22:41,+James+Heilman+%3C%3Ca+href=>> va escriure:
Was involved in 2019 with loading the datasets that form these graphs https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data:CO2PerCapita.tab onto Commons. And then we were using these data sets within our currently dead graph tool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Doc_James/OurWorld. While we got it to work, sort of, it was never nearly as nice as what OWID does. For example our tool could not "zoom in" to Europe.
With respect to offline use, the still images are offline functional within ZIMs for Kiwix, but yes the interactive graphs are not functional in these ZIMs/offline.
The graphs actually work beautifully on mobile web. Not sure about the Wikipedia app.
All of OWIDs source code is open source and we could definitely look at pulling it into our ecosystem. We already made a copy of it with a number of modifications at https://owidm.wmcloud.org/ Another major benefit to bringing it in house is that we would have greater control over making it multilingual (that was one of the reasons we looked at the mirror).
Another strategy could be to look at a partnership with OWID for these specific 4,500 graphics. We could help them become more multilingual, with an agreement around our reuse / mirroring their site on production servers. Plus we could feedback other datasets to be graphed for either of our use.
James
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 2:22 PM Brooke Vibber bvibber@wikimedia.org wrote:
Note that a third-party web service is not ideal; in addition to the issues of tracking and privacy, it can't work offline and likely would require additional work to get the graphics working on mobile web, mobile apps, and offline (kiwix etc). Integrating fully with a self-contained service that is supported by our whole ecosystem and maintained in the future would be desirable in the work I'd like to make sure we do on multimedia.
-- brooke
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 12:59 PM James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
A bit more background on Our World in Data.
They currently have about 4,500 data visualization https://ourworldindata.org/charts
They come in two main formats:
- Grapher: These are simpler and their older work
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/deaths-from-substance-disorders 2) Explorers: These are newer with more ways to adjust data https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/natural-resources
Both of these work via the consent pop up workflow.
We last coordinated the mass upload of still images from OWID to Commons in 2020. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Our_World_in_Data And are beginning to look at doing an update. One thought as part of this update would be to include within the commons page the mediawiki markup needed to have the consent pop up work in target languages that have it activated.
James
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 1:29 PM Brooke Vibber bvibber@wikimedia.org wrote:
This is exciting -- let's make sure we capture any usage requirements for the upcoming Graphs modernization work so we can have these features built in again soon!
-- brooke
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 7:43 AM Felipe Schenone schenonef@gmail.com wrote:
Amazing work, James and Galder!
Today I was bold, made it fully multilingual and generalized it so that it can be easily installed in any wiki (Wikimedia or not). See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:OWID for the documentation and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-OWID.js for the code and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template_gadgets for more context
Galder, perhaps you'd like to update the usage at the Basque Wikipedia (see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:OWID) so as to help centralize and coordinate our efforts? Some technical notes:
- I simplified the code considerably using the pre-built methods
OO.ui.alert and OO.ui.confirm rather than those complicated (and unnecessary, in this case) OOUI classes. I hope you like it.
- I wrapped the code with an "OWID" object to keep it out of the
global space and make sure the 'oojs-ui-windows' dependency is always loaded.
- The localized messages should probably be moved to their own JSON
file and loaded from there, but I'm not sure about the best way to do that while keep it template gadgets centralized at MediaWiki.org, and possibly having the strings translated by translatewiki.net. Perhaps we can set up a call to discuss some options?
PS, I enabled the template on the Spanish Wikipedia (see https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantilla:OWID) but we're having some local trouble with template gadgets so it's not working right now. I should be able to fix it in the next few hours.
On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 6:34 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < galder158@hotmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, James, for all the work done, We now have 14 articles with interactive graphs, as we are exploring this new feature: https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategoria:Our_World_in_Data_grafikoak_dituzten.... The deployment is pretty easy, it took around 10 minutes with only four things: a template, a css, a js and a gadget definition. This is so simple, that I think it should be implemented by everyone.
We should think on how we make it multilingual.
Thanks again to all the members of WikiProject Med for the step forward.
Galder
*From:* James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, April 16, 2024 11:14 PM *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are doing it wrong We have Interactive graphs from OWID working on Basque Wikipedia, following a consent popup.
https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haurdunaldi#Nerabezaroa
Still need to figure out a way to make them multilingual.
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