On 5/12/13 8:13 PM, David Gerard wrote:
On 12 May 2013 18:47, Florence Devouard anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
Alternatively, it might be good to really move as much as possible of the Wikimedia Foundation Wiki to meta (where at least, the community is in charge of who is admin and who is not).
This is a good idea anyway.
Having the WMF wiki become a staff-controlled operation is not an outlandish or terrible idea - it's the official site of the nonprofit itself, after all. But this was not a good way to do it.
That said, there are projects who do much worse. Here's GNOME's attempt to win the XFree86 Memorial Award for Community Management for 2013: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698544
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:) Yeah, pretty bad.
The main reason I would consider WMF wiki SHOULD NOT be an entirely staff-controlled and operated site is the fact we originally wanted it to be at least in part multilingual.
Current staff does not seem to be very interested in that original wish.
Some requests for translation are sometimes made but lot's of outdated content is still over there. Sometimes, it does not matter too much. Other times, it is quite unfortunate. Check out for example http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_policy
Important ? yes Should be translated ? I would say "yes, as much as possible" Should old versions stick there ? I would say vehemently "no, should not"
Still, many languages still display the old version. The staff will hide itself behind the fact that "only the English version matters". Which is why Dutch is still the old version: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacybeleid Is that good ? No, I would say it is "not serious".
Who can help clean that up ? Well... if not the volunteers, then it would have to be the staff job. Except I doubt the staff would consider that to be part of its job. If only because staff does not speak 300 languages.
What's the best way to motivate volunteers to help with translation and update of non-English content ? I am not sure, but probably not in removing their admin bit as if they were dangerous people. Right now, I would go as far as saying that WMF on the contrary should look out for more people to help clean up ;)
How does that happen right now ? Well, volunteers do ask on meta to get an account for WMF wiki. Where ? Here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Request_for_an_account_on_the_Foundation_wiki
And guess who is taking care of giving them access ? A volunteer who has the technical means to create them accounts. Oh wait... not any more. Ah, hum. Well, I take it a staff member will do that in the future :)
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Alternatively, the staff, with the official support of their management and the board can decide that the Foundation wiki should not try any more to be translated in other languages and should stick to what it actually is: a US-based non profit company.
Translations may be non-official... and on meta.
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The multilingualism we hoped so dearly has always been an issue. It is poorly dealt with on the Wikimedia Foundation blog. Poorly dealt with on the Foundation Wiki. Poorly dealt with on OTRS.
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Florence