Well, right. That's kind of what I mean. These things happened to Citizendium because credentialism is the natural outcome of trying to create a system of valuing a certain class of contributors more than others.
DM
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 12:35 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 August 2010 17:19, David Moran fordmadoxfraud@gmail.com wrote:
I think my problem with suggestions like this is that the assumption at
the
heart of all of them--that "experts" with degrees are preferable as information authorities to nonexperts without--is deeply problematic, and I'm not convinced it won't create more problems than it solves. I am not myself an academic, but I've worked in an academic setting for over a
decade
(I'm in college textbooks), and I work closely with college faculty and
...
quite frankly the number of them I would trust to edit an article I
wanted
to read is very small. Academic qualifications generally just mean you stayed in school long
enough
to get them, and little else. I'm not trying to spout anti-intellectual nonsense, I'm just saying that academia churns out an awful lot of people with degrees every year, a really astonishing number actually, and an
awful
lot of those people are no more deserving of the term "expert" than the
guy
driving the 2 train that took me to work this morning, or the girl who served me coffee at Dunkin' Donuts. I'm worried we'd give the imprimatur
of
extra scholarly specialness to the edits of a bunch of people who
honestly
would not deserve it.
Take care not to conflate expertise with credentials. At best, credentials are a shortcut to finding an expert; at worst, they're a union card that people without workable expertise use to get a job anyway.
Clay Shirky noted this important distinction:
http://many.corante.com/archives/2006/11/20/social_facts_expertise_citizendi...
In practice, academics who are really interested in their field will happily listen to the uncredentialed on their topic, even if only for a moment, just in case they have something interesting to say. Academics who are not all that good will be very credentialist. Cranks, having no accepted expertise, will attach especial store to what credentials they can scrape up. This, btw, is how Citizendium became a pseudoscience haven:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Citizendium#The_concept_of_expertise_on_Citizen...
- d.
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