Joe,
I believe that the issue of a potential privacy violation was first raised on this list on December 30th, and I first emailed WMF Legal about this issue on January 1st. Keeping in mind that the issue involves potential privacy violations, I think that it's reasonable to think that this issue should have been reviewed within days, not weeks. I disagree with the statement that "A subsequent review is clearly going to be a low priority task as I am sure you can understand Pine." If anything, I think that the situation is clear to the contrary and it should have been reviewed within days.
For me, an RfC about this matter would be for the purposes of (1) encouraging WMF to give more attention to this matter, (2) attempting to establish community consensus about whether the matters being raised here involve privacy violations, and (3) what should be done, if anything. Personally, I think that the status quo does involve privacy violations and that there should be changes. Whether that view is shared by others is something that the RfC would attempt to measure.
In this circumstance I consider RfC to be similar to a ballot measure, and I think that it's appropriate for me to say that if I think that there are problems then I may use tools that are available to me to attempt to address them, preferably with WMF's cooperation, but without WMF"s cooperation if necessary and if possible.
John,
A previous discussion about the privacy issues occurred in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T42006. I received a new email from WMF Legal in which they affirmed their department's 2012 view on this matter. The most recent email gave me the impression that they are receptive to discussion about whether there should be changes although there may be resource limitations. That sounds like a good starting place for a conversation, and I think that on the community's side an RfC is the best way to gauge the community's views. I am busy for the next few days but I'll try to set up an RfC on Meta during the weekend.
Pine https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CatherineMunro/Bright_Places
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 2:29 AM, Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org wrote:
This conversation started in the middle of the Christmas break following which I suspect many staff took extended holidays, most departments are in the middle annual planning and this week WMF are gathering for their annual all hands meetings. So lets firtst consider the fact that senior legal staff have a lot on their plate.
This problem has been discussed before and reviewed by legal as acceptable. A subsequent review is clearly going to be a low priority task as I am sure you can understand Pine.
Making threats to handle ones demand and only in a manner that is acceptable to you is hardly going to make staff receptive to expediting your request. Lets give the good people time, afford them patience on our behalf and let them do their jobs.
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 2:04 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
FYI for those on WIkimedia-l who may be interested, conversation about
this
matter is ongoing. I am waiting a response from WMF Legal, and there may
be
others who have opened their own lines of inquiry.
If I don't receive a reply from WMF Legal that I feel is satisfactory, or if I don't receive one at all, then I plan to set up an RfC about this matter.
Pine https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CatherineMunro/Bright_Places
On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 2:17 PM, Vi to vituzzu.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
I'm scared of the solutions that will "fix" this. I expect something as dramatically useful as the removal of "unblock
this
IP" button for IPs caught by autoblocks of registered users.
Vito
2018-01-01 22:46 GMT+01:00 Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com:
I have created https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T183876 and am
pinging
Legal to request a review of this matter.
Happy new year,
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