Right, you act as if smaller wikis were tremendous vessels of potential just waiting to be filled with pearls of wisdom, when experience suggests they are landfill sites. If Google develop something that could automatically translate every article on en into perfect Mongolian/Latvian/Zulu, your comment would make perfect sense. As it is it makes none.
And I suggest you google my sig. The irony is impressive.
CM
Odi profanum vulgus et arceo.
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:31:09 +0100 From: gerard.meijssen@gmail.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] 80% of our projects are failing
Hoi, You added some pearl of wisdom at the end. It is obviously wasted for the people like me who do not understand Latin. In a similar way, if these other people do not read and understand English Spanish French etc, they are not informed with our pearls of wisdom.. Thanks, GerardM
2008/11/30 Christiano Moreschi moreschiwikiman@hotmail.co.uk
No it doesn't. The greatest tool for the education of those poor sods in the 3rd world is the English Wikipedia, plus Spanish, French, etc. But mostly en. Here's why.
- It's the biggest. It's the best. You learn the most.
- You get to practice reading English at the same time. English is THE
global language and will become even more so, mostly because of the economic dominance of the US and the fact that it's so easy to learn. You can learn to speak understandable English in a month: even if/when China takes over economically, we'll still do business in English. I know hundreds of people who can speak English as a second language: I know not one non-Chinese who speaks fluent Mandarin. Mr Botswana will do far better economically from en than he will from botswanian wiki. 3. It is not run by monomaniacal ethnic zealots, who find smaller wikis laughably easy to take over. Even ru wiki has a problem with this, I've heard. On en, people like me spend hours making sure that history is not distorted by fanatics and that our narratives offer an accurate, rational fair picture. There's little food for fundamentalists. God knows what crap you find on smaller wikis with less editorial oversight. In the wake of the terrorist attacks in Bombay, this seems particularly relevant.
Conclusion: let them all fail, bar the big ones.
CM
Odi profanum vulgus et arceo.
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:04:43 +0100 From: effeietsanders@gmail.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] 80% of our projects are failing
Please, speak for yourself :) I *do* care, and if there is an easy and definite solution, I'd love to embrace it. I think we should care about
our
little siblings, about the smaller languages as we call them, and support them if possible. I can only hope you were being extremely ironic :)
Because bear in mind, especially in those languages, a complemented work
of
human knowledge really adds something. In the large languages, we already had encyclopediae and dictionaries of good quality. Wikipedia is better sure, and has improved our lives. But now just imagine that you are
living
in Botswana, and on school (if you're lucky) there is very little
material
available... and now there is an encyclopedia... In YOUR language! Even
if
it only contains 1000 articles, you can already learn a lot from it. You
can
improve your knowledge, and increase the odds in competition with the western world. It won't do miracles of course, but every tiny little bit helps.
And now imagine that this goes for all languages. And not only encyclopediae, but also learning books, dictionaries and perhaps one day even other collections. Wikipedia *does* make a difference. (and I'd
almost
add: donate now ;-) )
Best regards,
Lodewijk
2008/11/30 Christiano Moreschi moreschiwikiman@hotmail.co.uk
Do we care that 80%
of our projects are failing? Thanks, GerardM
No. Why should we? Nobody actually reads shit like the albanian
wikibooks
(doesn't matter if that doesn't exist, you get my point). Such projects exist purely the monomaniacal benefit of the editor(s), not any
readers. Let
them all fail, with the exception of Wikipedias en,fr,de,ru,etc + wikt
and
commons.
CM
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