April 10, 2009 URGENT MESSAGE Cambodia Time Zone
Dear Sirs: This is my LAST AND FINAL REQUEST TO YOU, " REMOVE MY EMAIL NAME FROM your fucking mailing list !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
You are pissing off the wrong American !!!!!!!!!! Sgned Ron Studebaker
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet (RYU Cheol) 2. Re: South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet (Techman224) 3. Re: South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet (RYU Cheol) 4. Re: South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet (Mark Williamson) 5. Re: South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet (RYU Cheol) 6. Re: foundation-l Digest, Vol 61, Issue 14 (Ronald Studebaker)
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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:37:49 +0900 From: RYU Cheol rcheol@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: ee53297c0904091737p10f972dhcaf4751000c26174@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I'm not sure what you mean by no business in South Korea. The foundation is in Florida, so you don't need to abide by the law of United Kingdom?
But I'm an contributing editor of Wikipedia residing in South Korea and some of ko.wp editors are preparing to establish South Korea chapter to promote Free Culture Movement. South Korean editors have to abide by the regulations of Korean government.
I want to know if we have visitors more than 100,000 from South Korea or not?
-Cheol
2009/4/9 Nathan nawrich@gmail.com:
Assuming it isn't an April Fool's joke, the fact remains that the Wikimedia Foundation is not bound to abide by the laws of South Korea. Google had business there, presumably, while the Foundation does not.
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Message: 2 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 19:45:23 -0500 From: Techman224 techman224@yahoo.ca Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: 7B3FF821-AD47-4F83-9AE7-FEF2D7DD392C@yahoo.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
If this law includes websites hosted outside of South Korea, and there's enough people coming from there, we either have to do it, or risk being blocked.
Techman224
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Message: 3 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:54:24 +0900 From: RYU Cheol rcheol@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: ee53297c0904091754u2741fcc3l9f7f865bf206aafe@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
We have some servers in Seoul, Korea, which are donated by Yahoo, right? (I'm not sure, let me know) Then it's a web site in South Korea.
--Cheol
2009/4/10 Techman224 techman224@yahoo.ca:
If this law includes websites hosted outside of South Korea, and there's enough people coming from there, we either have to do it, or risk being blocked.
Techman224
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Message: 4 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 18:56:09 -0700 From: Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: 849f98ed0904091856i22178366mcaa448549bca695d@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
No, in most cases we don't have to abide by the law tof the United Kingdom.
There are hundreds of countries in the world, each with their own different laws, some seemingly quite draconian when it comes to what content is allowed. Imagine, in North Korea the things we say about Kim Jong-il are probably illegal, but we don't have to follow their law because our website is based in... Florida.
Mark
2009/4/9 RYU Cheol rcheol@gmail.com:
I'm not sure what you mean by no business in South Korea. The foundation is in Florida, so you don't need to abide by the law of United Kingdom?
But I'm an contributing editor of Wikipedia residing in South Korea and some of ko.wp editors ?are preparing to establish South Korea chapter to promote Free Culture Movement. South Korean editors have to abide by the regulations of Korean government.
?I want to know if we have visitors more than 100,000 from South Korea or not?
-Cheol
2009/4/9 Nathan nawrich@gmail.com:
Assuming it isn't an April Fool's joke, the fact remains that the Wikimedia Foundation is not bound to abide by the laws of South Korea. Google had business there, presumably, while the Foundation does not.
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Message: 5 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:24:24 +0900 From: RYU Cheol rcheol@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: ee53297c0904091924q27dab24ey2886f0876cf67805@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Of course, we can decide to follow or not, and I hope we decide not to.
I want you to be informed that we have the risk to be blocked from South Korea and we could loose editors from South Korea.
I suggest we make a voice against South Korean government, 'cause I don't want to say good bye to you all.
--Cheol
2009/4/10 Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com:
No, in most cases we don't have to abide by the law tof the United Kingdom.
There are hundreds of countries in the world, each with their own different laws, some seemingly quite draconian when it comes to what content is allowed. Imagine, in North Korea the things we say about Kim Jong-il are probably illegal, but we don't have to follow their law because our website is based in... Florida.
Mark
2009/4/9 RYU Cheol rcheol@gmail.com:
I'm not sure what you mean by no business in South Korea. The foundation is in Florida, so you don't need to abide by the law of United Kingdom?
But I'm an contributing editor of Wikipedia residing in South Korea and some of ko.wp editors ?are preparing to establish South Korea chapter to promote Free Culture Movement. South Korean editors have to abide by the regulations of Korean government.
?I want to know if we have visitors more than 100,000 from South Korea or not?
-Cheol
2009/4/9 Nathan nawrich@gmail.com:
Assuming it isn't an April Fool's joke, the fact remains that the Wikimedia Foundation is not bound to abide by the laws of South Korea. Google had business there, presumably, while the Foundation does not.
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Message: 6 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 19:29:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Ronald Studebaker ronald57_2005@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] foundation-l Digest, Vol 61, Issue 14 To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: 241571.35407.qm@web52712.mail.re2.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
March 10, 2009????? *EMERGENCY MESSAGE* 9:30 AM
Dear Foundation Program: As of this date, March 10, 2009 PLEASE DO NOT send to my email address any more of your messages.
Sincerely Ron Studebaker
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? 1. Re: mo.wikipedia is not yet renamed to mo-cyrill as it was ? ? ? promised ! (Brion Vibber) ? 2. Re: mo.wikipedia is not yet renamed to mo-cyrill as it was ? ? ? promised ! (Marcus Buck) ? 3. Wikimania 2009 Scholarships (Mark (Markie)) ? 4. South Korean Government's regulations on real name??? for ? ? ? Internet (RYU Cheol) ? 5. Re: South Korean Government's regulations on real??? name for ? ? ? Internet (teun spaans) ? 6. Re: South Korean Government's regulations on real??? name for ? ? ? Internet (RYU Cheol) ? 7. Re: South Korean Government's regulations on real name for ? ? ? Internet (Michael Snow) ? 8. Re: South Korean Government's regulations on real??? name for ? ? ? Internet (RYU Cheol)
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:10:37 -0700 From: Brion Vibber brion@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] mo.wikipedia is not yet renamed to ??? mo-cyrill as it was promised ! To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List ??? foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: 49DD04BD.8080801@wikimedia.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
On 4/6/09 3:28 PM, Casey Brown wrote:
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Cetateanu Moldovanu cetateanumd@gmail.com? wrote:
- you have promised that subdomain name mo will become mo-cyrl, it's april
now and mo is still not yet renamed.*
None of the wikis have been moved yet, it's not that this situation is specific to mowiki.
No idea why this was sent to foundation-l since I already answered directly...
Wikis have not been renamed yet since we have no infrastructure for doing it. The requests are in the system and will be reached when we have an opportunity to set up a renaming infrastructure -- none of the renames are high priority, and there are plenty of things most members of this list would rather see us do first. :)
-- brion
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Message: 2 Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:13:52 +0200 From: Marcus Buck me@marcusbuck.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] mo.wikipedia is not yet renamed to ??? mo-cyrill as it was promised ! To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List ??? foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: 49DD1390.4030204@marcusbuck.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Brion Vibber hett schreven:
and there are plenty of things most members of this list would rather see us do first. :) ?
Great to hear you are working on world peace... As the developments on 'things most members of this list would like to see' are rather slow, I'd say, you should urgently hire some more people, who help you do the tasks that need to be done, or alternatively make access to administrative tools easier, so that voluntary helpers can help you do the tasks that need to be done.
Marcus Buck User:Slomox
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Message: 3 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 23:53:53 +0100 From: "Mark (Markie)" newsmarkie@googlemail.com Subject: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2009 Scholarships To: wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org, foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org, ??? wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org, mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org, ??? wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: ??? a6424d870904081553o700efa12gfd8dbcb5a9045c9e@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Wikimania 2009 [1], this year's global event devoted to Wikimedia [2] projects around the globe, is now accepting *applications for scholarships*to the conference. This year's conference will be handled from August 26-28 in Buenos Aires [3], Argentina [4]. The scholarship can be used to help offset the costs of travel and registration. For more information, check the official information page [5]. Please remember that the Call for Participation [6] is still open, please submit your papers! Without submissions, Wikimania would not be nearly as fun!
[1] http://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org/wiki/Portal [2] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buenos_Aires [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina [5] http://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships [6] http://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org/wiki/Call_for_Participation
Regards
Mark
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Message: 4 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 13:53:01 +0900 From: RYU Cheol rcheol@gmail.com Subject: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real ??? name??? for Internet To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: ??? ee53297c0904082153q3e4be3f6o4a16beb20baee50@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
According to this post, http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/03/google-korea-youtube-korea-to-begin... ,
"Google, the world?s largest Internet company, has finally submitted to South Korea?s unprecedented Internet regulations, including agreeing to implement a ?real name? system in which any South Korean can post their contents only after they confirm their resident registration number."
Wikipedia have to response to this regulation.
Any site which has more than 100,000 visitors for a day have to implement real name system according to the regulation. We have to check the number of visitors from South Korea. If we have more than that, we have to decide if we will allow editing or not from South Korea.
It's a serious challenge for Wikipedia.
-Cheol
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Message: 5 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:35:12 +0200 From: teun spaans teun.spaans@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on ??? real??? name for Internet To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List ??? foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: ??? 8fb899d70904082235k2850397cie19e195284e89702@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
"oncurrently April 1 is when the amendment to South Korea?s Act on the Promotion of Information and Communications Network Utilization and User Protection will go into effect". That date smells ;-)
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:53 AM, RYU Cheol rcheol@gmail.com wrote:
According to this post,
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/03/google-korea-youtube-korea-to-begin... ,
"Google, the world?s largest Internet company, has finally submitted to South Korea?s unprecedented Internet regulations, including agreeing to implement a ?real name? system in which any South Korean can post their contents only after they confirm their resident registration number."
Wikipedia have to response to this regulation.
Any site which has more than 100,000 visitors for a day have to implement real name system according to the regulation. We have to check the number of visitors from South Korea. If we have more than that, we have to decide if we will allow editing or not from South Korea.
It's a serious challenge for Wikipedia.
-Cheol
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Message: 6 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:42:06 +0900 From: RYU Cheol rcheol@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on ??? real??? name for Internet To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List ??? foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: ??? ee53297c0904082242i68b4b64fw8775f799a16b4505@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Yap, it's silly. But it's happening in Korea.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2009/04/123_42862.html
2009/4/9 teun spaans teun.spaans@gmail.com:
"oncurrently April 1 is when the amendment to South Korea?s Act on the Promotion of Information and Communications Network Utilization and User Protection will go into effect". That date smells ;-)
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:53 AM, RYU Cheol rcheol@gmail.com wrote:
According to this post,
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/03/google-korea-youtube-korea-to-begin... ,
"Google, the world?s largest Internet company, has finally submitted to South Korea?s unprecedented Internet regulations, including agreeing to implement a ?real name? system in which any South Korean can post their contents only after they confirm their resident registration number."
Wikipedia have to response to this regulation.
Any site which has more than 100,000 visitors for a day have to implement real name system according to the regulation. We have to check the number of visitors from South Korea. If we have more than that, we have to decide if we will allow editing or not from South Korea.
It's a serious challenge for Wikipedia.
-Cheol
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Message: 7 Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:04:57 -0700 From: Michael Snow wikipedia@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on ??? real name for Internet To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List ??? foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: 49DD9009.4030903@verizon.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
RYU Cheol wrote:
Yap, it's silly. But it's happening in Korea.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2009/04/123_42862.html ?
However, this story indicates that contrary to the earlier report, Google (specifically YouTube) is *not* implementing such a system. I don't know their reasons or what legal analysis was involved, and I hesitate to base my understanding of this law on translated news reports. But I can't imagine why we would try to block South Koreans from contributing, whether or not they comply with the requirements described.
--Michael Snow
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Message: 8 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 15:19:41 +0900 From: RYU Cheol rcheol@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on ??? real??? name for Internet To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List ??? foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: ??? ee53297c0904082319s704c6b13lc0c2249d197c500e@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Until today they were considering to implement, but finally they decided to abandon the business in South Korea. Nobody who set his profile to South Korea cannot upload video and cannot comments on Youtube. Now you got it?
-Cheol
2009/4/9 Michael Snow wikipedia@verizon.net:
RYU Cheol wrote:
Yap, it's silly. But it's happening in Korea.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2009/04/123_42862.html
However, this story indicates that contrary to the earlier report, Google (specifically YouTube) is *not* implementing such a system. I don't know their reasons or what legal analysis was involved, and I hesitate to base my understanding of this law on translated news reports. But I can't imagine why we would try to block South Koreans from contributing, whether or not they comply with the requirements described.
--Michael Snow
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