On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen < cimonavaro@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't consider Moeller the main proponent of the current proposal in any meaningful way; except in the very narrow sense that Moeller is admirably acting to employ "the art of the possible", and therefore is doing the work of moving the compromise, that happens to be most viable, forward.
I highly doubt you're correct, but moreover I find it astonishing that you find it admirable to undermine one's own core beliefs.
I think it isn't public knowledge what Erik's full personal
feelings on the current proposal are, as it is under vote.
I'm assuming good faith that Erik wouldn't work so hard to push for a proposal he doesn't support. But I guess you find such behavior admirable, while I'd find it despicable, so I guess we've reached an impasse.
The proposal contains much more than just a switch to CC-BY-SA, it also
includes language interpreting CC-BY-SA in a way which indisputably
changes
the form of attribution required.
I don't think the word "indisputably" means what you think it does.
Even if I agree on a very broad level that the phrasing is mildly confusing to our re-users, and certainly not ideal, I think there have been arguments defending the view that there isn't a change of form for attribution which goes beyond what the license allows. I am not convinced that those defensive arguments are wholly safe in the absolute, but this does not mean I don't accept that others may think differently.
Once again you're trying to argue a belief which you yourself do not hold. In this case it's a quite clearly absurd belief, though. If the move changes nothing, why make it? I guess someone might dispute what I said by changing the meaning of the word "attribution", but I don't consider that a dispute in substance.
In any case, this proposal certainly *will* undermine the individual right to attribution held by individual contributors, so anyone who supports that right *should* vote against the proposal or refuse to vote at all. If you want to nitpick whether or not this is indisputable, fine, I'll let you have your way. But indisputable or not, it is a true fact.