Am I the only one that sees the irony in asking folks not to pick on the Commons community, then immediately asserting that enwp is the source of all drama?
Cheers, Craig Franklin On 12/12/2014 4:56 PM, "Pipo Le Clown" pleclown@gmail.com wrote:
As you said, the first issue of Commons is "demotivating contributors". And this thread is actually doing a good job at it...
STOP the Commons bashing. Stop calling Commons contributors "anal retentive" or "fussy neckbeards".
I'm an european. In Europe, one does not call another "nazi", as Americans do. It's insulting. Do you see people coming to Wikimedia-l when an american contributor calls someone a nazi (because they do) ?
No. There are places on projects to deal with those kind of situations (even if they do not work properly imo).
As there are places on Commons to discuss about the scope, the way we should handle copyright, etc. Nobody is preventing you to go to this places and start a discussion, share your thoughts and your wishes.
To be clear: Wikimedia is not only ENWP. Other wikipedias and projects are using Commons every day. But the drama always come from ENWP...
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:47 AM, Steven Walling <steven.walling@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu Dec 11 2014 at 12:40:09 PM Pipo Le Clown pleclown@gmail.com wrote:
I'm on the road every two weekends, and processing pictures the rest of
the
time on my free time. I've provided around 8000 pictures to Commons,
and
helped to have pictures for articles like Cristiano Ronaldo, Roy
Hogdson
or
Greig Laidlaw...
Just to read that I'm a fascist and an "anal retentive" because someone proposed a fucking picture of KitKat for deletion ? It was not even deleted, the discussion is still going on. And even if it was, the
right
place to go would have been COM:UDR, with a strong rationale, where
people
would have discuss it in a civilised manner. Not in this echo
chamber...
So yes, one could say that the thread "was accusatory from the start,
and
quickly went to vicious". One could also say that this is a fucking disgrace.
Pleclown
To be crystal clear: I didn't link to the DR or mention the nominator because I don't actually care much about the individual instance. Commons is going to do what it's going to do, and whomever nominated it
or
comments in support of deletion is just doing what the policies of
Commons
is telling them to do.
The problem is a general one with the goals of Commons, what the
community
focuses (and doesn't focus on), as I said. I think it should be clear
that
the purpose of discussing it on Wikimedia-l as opposed to Commons is talk about whether Commons is doing a good job of serving as the media repository for other projects. Not about whether the nominator was
correct
in this individual case or something like that.
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com wrote:
Okay, guys, let's all take a step back and remember [[WP:Civility]]. (Yeah, I know that's a Wikipedia pillar, but can't we all at least
get
on board with that one?)
The tone of this thread was accusatory from the start, and quickly went to vicious. Maybe everyone can try it again with a bit of AGF.
Austin
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 7:30 PM, James Alexander <
jamesofur@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
P.S. Stephen, you are young and handsome, in fact rather dishy to
my
ageing eyes. Good for you. Keep in mind that your fellow
volunteers
might not have been born so lucky, and that being young and pretty
all
too soon passes into memory, sigh.
Fæ, this is not acceptable for the list (or for that matter on
wiki).
Stephen's neckbeard comment certainly wasn't helpful either but
it's
no
excuse.
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