I see your point, Gergo, but in reality Phabricator is an even worse channel to discuss projects that are, essentially, social issues. Whether or not to have an onion may appear to be essentially a technical issue, but I have yet to see any indication in numerous discussions about Tor that I have read and/or participated in that our technical geniuses (and I say that with warmth and honesty) really give a lot of thought to the legal and social implications of providing active support to the dark web. It is a social and ethical issue (from just about all sides) and should be discussed with that in mind.
I have little doubt that it is entirely technically possible to set up a Tor onion on an isolated WMF server somewhere or other. It's probably child's play for many who work within the area, and I have little doubt that there are many individuals within the broad Wikimedia community who have chosen to use or actively support Tor. Setting this up is not a technical "problem" to be solved (which is essentially what Phabricator is for). I will again reinforce: it's a social and ethical issue, and only once that is resolved would it be time to consider it a "technical problem".
With respect to "known editors" using Tor, I'll take the opportunity to also respond to Lane. I think I could paraphrase his concerns by saying that, from where he sits, it seems that all Tor users are painted with the same brush, and that there are some legitimate users of Tor, and some legitimate reasons that certain individuals would potentially benefit from using Tor. I happen to agree with him on this point. I am well aware of at least half a dozen Tor users known to the enwiki community who explicitly requested IPBE on their existing accounts so that they could edit; the accounts tended not to have many edits, but the editors' rationales were usually that they were Tor users and thus were unable to edit. I'm aware that several of those individuals have been granted IPBE over time; yes, they have to ask for it, but then so do the users who want to edit through hard-blocked VPNs. I can't speak for other projects, but I can say that on enwiki there are both administrators and functionaries who are liberal in their granting of IPBE. I sometimes find it odd that nobody asks me directly to help them out; I think I've granted it every time I was asked.
Risker/Anne
On 13 June 2017 at 06:28, Gergő Tisza gtisza@gmail.com wrote:
Now that we have ascertained (again) that wikimedia-l is a poor channel for focused discussions about tech proposals, can we move this to Phabricator? _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe