Lodewijk -Thanks for your suggestion. We would totally agree!
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 3:53 PM, John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the update! I guess people will support WMFs decisions in this case!
John
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:11 PM, Juliet Barbara jbarbara@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thank you, everyone, for your messages regarding the situation in Turkey. As you can imagine, this has been a very busy time for the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal, Communications, Technical Operations, and Community Engagement departments, and we apologize for not being able to respond to Wikimedia-l sooner.
We are planning to publish a statement on the Wikimedia blog soon. In the meantime, we have been handling media and other inquiries with the following short statement, which we shared with the Communications Committee (ComCom) earlier this morning:
"The Wikimedia Foundation has learned that access to Wikipedia has been blocked in Turkey as of Saturday, April 29th. Wikipedia is a rich and valuable source of neutral, reliable information in hundreds of
languages,
written by volunteers around the world. We are committed to ensuring that Wikipedia remains available to the millions of people who rely on it in Turkey. To that end, we are actively working with outside counsel to seek judicial review of the decision affecting access to Wikipedia. We hope
the
issue can be resolved promptly."
We will continue to do our best to monitor this discussion, but I ask for your patience as we are managing inquiries coming in from multiple
places.
If you are receiving media inquiries about this, please contact press@wikimedia.org and we will be able to assist you. At this point, we believe that the most valuable point Wikimedians can make on behalf of Wikipedia is explaining its value as an educational resource.
Thank you!
Juliet
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:
False dichotomy Cheers, P
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors Sent: Saturday, 29 April 2017 9:46 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block
Wikipedia
Richard
Then you want to say "We the undersigned do not [etc]". Of course the implication is that everyone else does ...
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
Primarily this is those who sign the statement on meta.
On 29 Apr 2017 20:41, "Rogol Domedonfors" domedonfors@gmail.com
wrote:
James
If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then your statement is both meaningless and ineffectual. If you are specific, then "we" need to know why you feel able to speak for
"us".
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com
wrote:
@ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not
support
terrorism."
J
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> "As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with. WhiIe > left it
is
> very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of contradiction, I > think it misees the point. We provide information, neutral
information.
> Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than
encourages
> certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information > with
the
> goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a
neutral,
> reliable sourgent, thus defeating any such goal. > > Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't > support terrorism, that the statements are on their face
absurd,
> that we
clearly
> document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions > both
in
the > Middle East and the wider world, and tother encourage anyone
who
doubts
> this to read our articles on the subject. > > On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman" jmh649@gmail.com
wrote:
> > > Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not
impartial
> to > > everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of
freedom
of > > information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that > > we as
a
> > movement oppose terrorism. > > > > Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_
Turkey
> > > > James > > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough < > > richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is
impartial,
or > at > > > least substantially so. This impartiality may be a threat > > > to
some,
> but > > it > > > could be counter-productive to make statements which are
not
carefully > > > thought through. Those who support repressive regimes can > > > easily
be
> > pushed > > > into an absolutist mindset. > > > > > > > > > On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez" galaver@gmail.com
wrote:
> > > > > > > +1 to Ting's idea about a statement > > > > > > > > Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and > > > > e-mails
to
our > > > local > > > > embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks
turkish
can > > > > support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi > > > > but
maybe
> is > > > > incorrect. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > 2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen <
wing.philopp@gmx.de
:
> > > > > > > > > I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a
statement
> that > > > > > decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That
Wikipedia
> > supports > > > > > terrorism. There could be further texts in the
statement
which
> > stresses > > > > our > > > > > principle of neutrality and our goal to spread > > > > > knowledge, but
the
> > first > > > > and > > > > > most important statement is to contradict the
accusation.
> > > > > > > > > > Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately
recognize
> > > > > how > > important > > > it > > > > > is to make such a statement. When national newspapers > > > > > and > broadcasts > > > are > > > > > referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk > > > > > http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/
dlf24-startseite.1441.de.h
> > > > > tml
)
this > > > > event, > > > > > there should be not only the accusation but always also > > > > > a reaction. > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > > > Ting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia
Israel:
> > > > > > > > > >> Hey, > > > > >> > > > > >> FYI - sad news from Turkish. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri* > > > > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > > > > >> +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il > > > > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can > > > > >> freely share > > in > > > > the > > > > >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > >> From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
itzik@wikimedia.org.il>
> > > > >> Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM > > > > >> Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia > > > > >> To: Communications Committee > > > > >> wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909 > > > > >> > > > > >> Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it > > > > >> will be
soon
> all > > > > over > > > > >> the news. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> --- > > > > >> > > > > >> *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to > > > > >> the
online
> > > > >> encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most > > > > >> popular > websites.* > > > > >> > > > > >> It was not initially clear why the ban had been
imposed.
> > > > >> The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible > > > > >> from 08:00 > > > (05:00 > > > > >> GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. > > > > >> People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access > > > > >> any Wikipedia > > > pages > > > > >> without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). > > > > >> "After technical analysis and legal consideration
based
> > > > >> on
the
Law > > Nr. > > > > >> 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for
this
website," > > > > Turkey's > > > > >> Information and Communication Technologies Authority > > > > >> was
quoted
as > > > > saying. > > > > >> No reason was given. > > > > >> Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the
Hurriyet
Daily
> News, > > > said > > > > >> the provisional order would need to be backed by a
full
court
> ruling > > > in > > > > >> the > > > > >> next few days. > > > > >> > > > > >> Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, > > > > >> with
some
> > users > > > > >> speculating that it might be a bid to suppress > > > > >> criticism on > > President > > > > >> Recep > > > > >> Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. > > > > >> Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April > > > > >> referendum
on
> > > > increasing > > > > >> his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the
country.
> > > > >> Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media > > > > >> sites > including > > > > >> Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the > > > > >> wake of
mass
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