On 9 September 2011 12:54, Kim Bruning kim@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote:
After that, we get back to the side effects of regular (non-wikipedia kind) filters. This information is well documented all over the net. You'll discover that not just images, but also the pages those images are on will not be reachable. We've been told on this list that this already happens to some people today. It seems pretty obvious that the effect will be much multiplied once the categories are available to third parties.
Note that this is what the Internet Watch Foundation does to block images. (Thus, they blocked Wikipedia article text, but not the image itself, which was on a different server.)
Censors tend not to worry about collateral damage.
Is the WMF claiming the filter will be free of side-effects?
[ ] yes [ ] no
If yes, then how so?
If no, then "just don't use the feature" is a nonsense.
And how is bias being introduced into my views by being able to go to [[Cock ring]] and not seeing a picture of a penis? I fail to see how being able to opt-out of saucy sex pics actually moves us in any significant way closer to a world where we live in "filter bubbles".
I just provided you with 2 steps in that direction, pretty much the first moves on the blue-team and red-team sides. On or around move 2 (6-12 months) we can start seeing people either deliberately or accidentally start filtering things that are nothing to do with sex or drugs at all, up to and including censoring of civic information. This has happened with filters in the past. I don't yet see why our filters wouldn't follow the same playbook. So far, there is nothing to differentiate our history from existing history. "But ours will be different" is not an argument. ;-)
Indeed. Substantive answers to these points would be welcomed. From the board, since they've determined the filter is happening.
- d.