On 09/15/11 11:51 PM, Andre Engels wrote:
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Ray Saintongesaintonge@telus.net wrote:
This is an interesting point. In some ways Wikipedia has so fetishised reliability that there isn't much room for oral histories and memoirs. We can contact and communicate with each other by electronic means far more efficiently than ever. The victim has been that long informative letters and diaries have become a thing of the past. When that happens who becomes custodian of those memories? When we begin to rely entirely on published sources we become so much more dependent on some kind of official record. When we reject the memories of those who were there as insufficiently substantiated where do those memories go? The old foot soldier who attended the big battle was never much about book learnin'. The experience may have been too painful to remember and talk about before, and finally in his 90s after much prompting from his great-grandson he gives his only narrative, which his grandson duly records on inferior equipment. I'm sure we should be able to find a better response than, "Sorry, this is not a reliable source."
The narrative may be flawed and biased. Similar narratives by others who were there may be flawed and biased too, but each in its own way. There are no news reporters there when the men of a community decide to get together to build a playground or other needed community facility. Is their experience so unreliable? How do we describe the episteme of today's world without falling into gnosis?
Even if we would allow such as a resource, doing so would hardly do justice to these reports. It would be possible to get one or two facts from such a report, and I think it should be possible to do so, but publishing the report either as a whole or in a complete summary would be problematic both from a "No Original Research" perspective and from a relevancy perspective. In the end, it is Wikipedia's task to make existing knowledge more widely available, not to create new knowledge.
There should definitely be places where this material belongs, and in many cases there are (I think of local historical societies, for example). The question is, whether or not the WMF should aim to have such a place itself. I have my doubts about it, because it does not look like an area where our strongpoint (massive volunteer cooperation) has much additionial value, but if the answer is yes, I think it should be as a new project - including it in any of the existing projects would widen its scope so far that it would water it down.
I'm completely open to the notion that this could be on a completely different project from Wikinews.
Anything other than publishing as a whole would require some serious POV editing. Who would decide on what the important facts are? Nor is this a question of creating knowledge; the knowledge was there already in the mind of the person being interviewed. The relevance can only be judged in the context of other similar memoirs about the same events.
Teaming up with local historical societies would be important. I'm sure that many of them are already sitting on large collections of this material, and making it available is beyond their abilities. Massive volunteer cooperation is just as important to them as to us, but they have typically drawn from a different demographic.
If we can send people into communities to take pictures of every important building, it should be just as possible to send them there to collect stories.
For the U.S., given Obama's push on job creation, the W.P.A.'s cultural programs in the 1930s could be a great example.
Ray