Hello Caroline,
I'm very sorry for what happened back in Capetown and that today you are reminded of this again through a public mailing list, where the story is starting to lead it's own life. I can only imagine that you felt the need to correct this misinterpretation of what happened to you. I know Romaine for several years and recognise the behaviour you are describing and even though I know he doesn't mean any harm with it (it's his enthusiasm that gets the better of him), I do realise it may cause distress with the other person. If you want to talk to me about this, please contact me of list. If this was enough for you, please do not feel you have to send any additional responses.
Hi all,
I was present at the assembly last Saturday and the whole situation is very complicated. I think, in his emotions to tell his story, Romaine indeed got two situations mixed up here and the emotional part should not be discussed on a public list. Furthermore I know first hand that both the chair of WMNL and WMBE are involved in the conversations with T&S and the WMF: there is no need for us to re-review this process, that is still ongoing at the moment.
Please let's close this thread.
Vriendelijke groet, Ciell
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Op ma 17 jun. 2019 om 17:39 schreef Caroline Becker <carobecker54@gmail.com
:
I was forced to step up *today* on this mailing list because the description of the WIkimania 2018 incident in the first mail was false: the claim that "none of us expressed there was a problem" is simply not what happened.
And by the way this is exactly why the details of stuff like that are NOT shared publicly. For me the incident was closed and well handled by the T&S team, I really didn't need a debate where people are expressing their uninformed, bar room like opinions about the seriousness of the incident or what should or should not have been done.
Caroline
Le lun. 17 juin 2019 à 17:14, Paulo Santos Perneta < paulosperneta@gmail.com> a écrit :
Hi Dariusz,
I understand Caroline wanted to add that she was finding difficult that Romain was not aware of her stress or unease on a specific situation vaguely described there (without any mention to her at all). And that
later
they have talked about it, and she accepted his apologies for that in private. I can't find the least evidence of her being forced to step up
and
expose herself just to clarify that there. As far as I know, it never was in question that some people felt uneasy with some behavior there. They talked about it, apologies were presented, end of story. Or would have
been
end of story, if not for the T&S interference.
Paulo
Dariusz Jemielniak darekj@alk.edu.pl escreveu no dia segunda,
17/06/2019
à(s) 16:04:
Hi Paulo,
On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 4:54 PM Paulo Santos Perneta wrote: " I'm referring to message from Caroline" - How have you jumped from Caroline wanting to further clarify something, to the conclusion that
the
OP was "pushing people who felt harassed or mistreated to step
forward"?
I'm specifically referring to this sentence " I really do not
appreciate
having this particular incident discussed here and being forced to step
up
like that."
Yes, she claims to have been "forced to step up", but were you able to find any evidence for that in the OP? Any accusation is automatically
true?
I believe that the person who voluntarily identified herself as the one requesting T&S support is not randomly lying about that. I don't think
it
was an accusation, it was an expression of the personal urge to set the record straight.
Again, please note that I'm not referring to what did or did not
happen a
year ago. I've been trying to express my frustration with discussing personal details and stories on a public list. I've clearly failed.
best,
dj
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