Hello James,
If we can do that together, it is not evident from the timeline sent by Nicole. How can we " collaborate with each other", "the wider community engage with the proposals that have been made", and we together "develop a final document that the majority of us in all parts of the movement can support" if after 15 September or so we will be excluded from the entire process that will led to the final recommendations?
All we can do is to comment on this very preliminary draft, kind of shouting in the dark in the hopes that someone would hear, with very little dialogue with the people that will be defining them, if at all.
Paulo
James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com escreveu no dia sexta, 23/08/2019 à(s) 12:09:
To clarify on this, yes we need to make changes as a movement, but we need to do so in collaboration with each other. My hope is that the wider community will engage with the proposals that have been made. And that we can develop a final document that the majority of us in all parts of the movement can support.
James
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 5:04 AM James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
I for one do not agree with Jan-Bart's prior position.
James
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 4:40 AM Jeff Hawke geoffey.hawke@gmail.com wrote:
Paulo,
You suggest that "things will not get pretty if the Wikimedia community does not approve some of the recommendations". You may recall that just five years ago, Jan-Bart de Vreede, then chair of the WMF Board,
expressed
the opinion
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:LilaTretikov_(WMF)&am...
over a much less dramatic change.
All of this is going to require change, change that might not be
acceptable to some of you. I hope that all of you will be a part of this next step in our evolution. But I understand that if you decide to take
a
wiki-break, that might be the way things have to be. Even so, you have
to
let the Foundation do its work and allow us all to take that next step when needed. I can only hope that your break is temporary, and that you will return when the time is right.
I presume this is a good summary of the WMF position today.
Jeff
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 12:06 AM Paulo Santos Perneta < paulosperneta@gmail.com> wrote:
If I've well understood the timeline, all input from the Wikimedia community ceases in mid September. Then it's all defined by the WGs
8and
their advisors), and eventually decided upon by the BoT around
December.
Therefore, after 15 September or so, the Wikimedia community will only
be
dealing with those recommendations again when they are already in the process of implementation.
It's quite easy to predict that things will not get pretty if the
Wikimedia
community does not approve some of the recommendations that pass all
the
way till implementation phase.
Paulo
Nicole Ebber nicole.ebber@wikimedia.de escreveu no dia quinta, 22/08/2019 à(s) 11:58:
Dear all,
Thank you for your engagement and input. It’s been great seeing so
much
attention on movement strategy and collaborative efforts for
building
our
future. Here are a couple of follow up responses and clarifications.
DRAFTS As pointed out in my previous email, the documents we recently
shared
are
recommendation drafts. They are not final, and not complete, but
working
documents that are currently being refined by the working groups.
Some
answers still read like stubs that are longing for further
development,
others are very detailed and will become more focused over the next
few
weeks. We still decided to publish everything at once, to give
everyone a
full picture of the variety of topics and offer an insight into
multiple
progress levels.
I would also like to reiterate that movement values, priorities and community conversation processes are high on our radar. A
recommendation
to
change the existing license model, for example, will not just go
through
a
quick approval process, but lead to a deeper exploration into the
reasoning
behind it: What problems are we trying to tackle, and what could be
ways
to
mitigate them? Such recommendation would then rather suggest to look
into
different measures to ensure indigenous knowledge is included in the Wikimedia ecosystem, deploy research and further consultation,
instead of
rushing to a quick fix.
INTEGRATION The working groups are taking input that they gathered at Wikimania
and
via
different movement channels and incorporating it into the next
iteration
of
their recommendations. These documents will then serve as a basis
for
harmonization across working groups.
The input that we are gathering comes in on different levels. Some
of
it
targets structural level changes or emphasizes specific principles
or
values, while other feedback is more on the programmatic side or
already
addressing implementation. Structural input will continue to be
considered
in forthcoming iterations of the recommendations. Programmatic input
will
be documented and taken forward to inform the implementation.
TIMELINE We wanted to get the English drafts out as soon as possible and the translations on a rolling basis, so that Wikimania participants
could
read
and prepare to engage in person. Over the next few weeks, we will do targeted, public outreach to online project communities in multiple languages. We are soliciting feedback to shape the overall direction
of
the
recommendations through mid-September. Working Groups are already
working
on identifying gaps and overlaps with other groups to prepare for harmonization.
At the harmonization sprint in Tunis on 20-22 September, we will
bring 3
representatives from each Working Group together to work to develop
a
more
coherent set of recommendations. The group will be supported by facilitators and external advice, as well as the core team. We have
also
invited María Sefidari, Katherine Maher, Ryan Merkley, Valerie
D’Costa
(Wikimedia Foundation) and Abraham Taherivand (Wikimedia
Deutschland)
to
the sprint. They contribute expertise and experience from their work
and
leadership in the movement and beyond. They will be active listeners
and
can challenge recommendations by pointing out risks and consequences
on
the
organizational and movement level. They also participate as the representatives of organizations that may be impacted by the recommendations. Involving them early is important so they can
anticipate
any possible changes for their staff and programs, and plan for implementation.
Our aim is to release recommendations in November 2019, and present
them
to
the Board of Trustees for approval in December. We will need the
legal
authority of the board for some of the recommendations, while others
will
then be further delegated to other community mechanisms and
structures
for
approval or further consultation.[1] There will be additional public consultation activities around implementation that will be discussed
and
owned across the movement.
WORKING GROUPS We have chosen the working group model to ensure that the process
that
embarks to make significant changes to our movement structures is
owned
by
the community. Members of the nine working group were selected by a steering committee and the groups were established in July 2019.[2]
Group
members come from different parts of the movement, e.g. from
different
regions and languages, from individual contributors and organized
groups,
and with different volunteer and staff roles, incl. Wikimedia
Foundation
staff and board.
The groups are doing an amazing job. With many of them being
volunteers,
or
doing this work on top of their regular jobs, creating the draft recommendations is a huge achievement. They first needed to form,
storm
and
norm as a group and figure out how to best work together across time
zones,
languages, and contexts. They then took a deep dive into the
substance
and
identified the scope of their work and the specific questions to
tackle
for
us as a movement to advance in our strategic direction. The
development
of
recommendations has started in spring this year, and – aside from
many
online calls, asynchronous work and scarce in-person meetings –
included
incorporating community conversations and external expertise. It is
only
to
the hard work of these groups that we finally have something
tangible
in
front of us that we can all react to and help further improve to
build
our
future together.
Please join us in thanking, celebrating and supporting them, rather
than
rushing to conclusions or arguing over details. Please contribute
in
good
faith, and in a constructive way.
Let me know if you have further questions.
Best wishes, Nicole
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/July_...
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_...
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 at 13:13, Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com
wrote:
And this is the core problem of the whole process (which has been
pointed
out by multiple people from the very beginning)
Cheers Yaroslav
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 12:27 PM Jeff Hawke <
geoffey.hawke@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Andy > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:41 PM Andy Mabbett <
andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk>
> wrote: > > > On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 09:55, Jeff Hawke <
geoffey.hawke@gmail.com>
> wrote: > > > > > the WG then collate them and decide the final form of the > > > recommendations, to be implemented by the WMF > > > > This seems to be missing a rather crucial intermediate step;
the
one
> > where the recommendations are accepted, or not, by the wider
Wikimedia
> > community. > > > > That step is not mentioned at > >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
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