Birgitte SB wrote:
This all sounds nice, however you are truly judging this as reciprocal we have already lost. While those people representing WMF are inherently some of the best people on this list, the "reciprocating" group is open to anyone. There will always be bitter, mean-spirited people around. If lack of transparency is really due to these things, lets increase the moderation to a level where there is enough kindness to warrant transparency. Otherwise everyone will just continue to be held hostage by lowest common denominator.
I have to say that I agree with Birgitte here. For me, Foundation-l has becoming incresasingly useless as a mailing list because it is so frequently dominated by people who seem to be very "bitter and mean-spirited" to the point that they are on the attack no matter what happens.
Open dialog and debate is fine. Criticism is fine. But a minority of people endlessly beating others up without bothering to stop and "assume good faith" just a little bit now and then just makes the list useless.
"The boy who cried wolf" is a classic tale which has some relevancy here.
The Foundation is the most transparent organization that I know of, to the point of pathology sometimes. Ironically, that transparency breeds in some an expectation so high, that it is assumed that everything has to be discussed openly. Someone suggested to me the other day that internal-l and all private mailing lists should be closed, and all business conducted openly on the wiki. This is beyond nonsense, because it would push the Foundation to *less* transparency, not *more*.
I am unsure what we should do about foundation-l. It has become a sewer. It is difficult to balance our very strong desire for an unmoderated forum where people can feel comfortable making strong criticisms (nothing wrong with that!) with a forum where trolls are exhausting a lot of good people and spreading misinformation due to the inability of others to keep up with the sheer volume of malice.
--Jimbo