We do have a somewhat successful journal here on Wikiversity https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine
The journal provides peer review and people are publishing under their real names. Could such a journal publish oral histories? Sure why not. We would just need a group of volunteers interested in pushing the initiative forwards.
With more engagement maybe the WikiJournals could one day become a full fledged sister site.
James
On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
Oral stories do adapt and change over time to suit the circumstances but the under lying fact remain consistent as in the case of Ziko's story that a King divided his realm amongst his sons thus forming the basis of the regions, whether its 5,7,9 or some other figure its still the same. We were once one group until an elder, respected, leader created multiple we are separate groups yet we are all the same. This same thing has occurred regularly across europe as well even now borders are still shifting.
When recording intangible sources two things must remain consistent, we need to record the voice that the story is being spoken for and recognise that different voice will tell different stories because they have different perspectives, just like "eyewitness" accounts. The other thing is to recognise that when recording these stories we aren't setting them in stone creating or selecting a single definitive narrative.
- example:
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Bulyit#Oral_Accounts
Whether we deal with oral sources within a stand alone project or within the specific language wikipedia becomes irrelevant, if we want to include Indigenous knowledge we have accept and work with the ways in which that particular Indigenous knowledge is shared.
It will be project anyone can edit, because its just like the written knowledge we now share and modify, because you have box doesn't mean it has to be a cube.
On 5 October 2017 at 15:19, Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com wrote:
I guess for the same reason we never managed to run a successful journal, despite talking about this for about ten years. This project would need to have infrastructure comparable with the infrastructure needed to run an academic publishing house - editors, referees etc, which at this point looks insurmountable. And it will not be a project anyone can edit, which is a new entity in a Wikimedia universe.
Cheers Yaroslav
On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:
I agree that is the current situation, but why should we not have such a project (in theory - in practice I could list several obstacles, possibly surmountable) Cheers, Peter
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Yes, but if oral tradition is recorded at the academic standard, why should we be the first publication venue? Usually these people just
publish
books in academic publishing houses.
Cheers Yaroslav
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:
There may be a way to do it on another project designed for the purpose, but that cannot be English Wikipedia, and I doubt that any project that allows anonymous editing could manage it credibly. Oral tradition would at least have to be sourced to the teller, and would have to be recorded by a reliable and identified recorder, who can be held responsible for their due diligence. This would not be an easy thing for a crowdsourced project, but anything less would be like a
magnet for everything we don't want.
Cheers, Peter
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I do not have a perfect solution to introduce oral traditions in Wikipedia today, but I’m convince that we need to find a way to do it.
Just to give you an illustration:
Today ,a significative amount of African topics in the Wikipedia in French rely only on the work of only few French historian. Without saying they are not honest, I find difficult to consider that there words have really so more value than the words of the Ancient of the
African tribes.
We know for sure than oral tradition will include bias, but do not forget that the « traditional western historian work » are not exempt
of bias too.
Charles
PS: IMHO, I find offensive the way you define oral traditions, but it may be caused by a misconception from my part.
These are the definition I use for urban legend and oral tradition, very different each other I think. urban https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/urban#English legend < https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/legend#English%3E (plural urban legends < https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/urban_legends#English%3E) A widely circulated story https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/story that is untrue https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/untrue or apocryphal < https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/apocryphal%3E, often having elements of humour https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/humour or horror < https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/horror%3E. oral https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oral#English tradition < https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tradition#English%3E (countable < https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#countable%3E and uncountable https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#uncountable, plural oral traditions https://en.wiktionary.org/ wiki/oral_traditions#English) Cultural https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/culture material transmitted < https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/transmit%3E orally from one generation < https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/generation%3E to another.
Le 4 oct. 2017 à 21:11, Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com a écrit
:
You might be right, and the goal is indeed to differentiate between them. I just do not see how it could be implemented in practice. A legend is a legend, be it urban or not.
Cheers Yaroslav
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:09 PM, Chandres Wikipedia chandres.wp@gmail.com wrote:
> to Wikipedia. They might still be a separate WMF project, which is > likely to be problematic (since it is really difficult to > differentiate between say folk tales and the oral traditions which > state that Earth is flat and that all US presidents report to the > Zionist Occupational Government), but >
For me, your definition of oral tradition is the one of « urban legend
».
TO my understanding, oral tradition refer to culture where the History of the tribes/nation/people is transmit only by a spoken way and never put on paper. Am I wrong?
charles
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