Every participant in an iterative multi-party process likes to be the last. In a certain sense the larger community will be the last. They can opt to abandon the movement. But for those volunteers who will be loyal to the movement, it is the far-away Board has the last look and final say-so. Given the difficulty of actually getting any significant level of response from the larger community, especially of mere content contributors, it would be nice - and wise IMO - to allow for the larger community to have a long look at finished draft proposals.
The sad fact is that the only way the larger community would be likely to take such proposals seriously would be if there were an imminent deadline. Unfortunately, it is hard to take the imminent deadline seriously given the absence of substance in some areas. Thus a chance has been missed to get substantial involvement from the broader community.
I wonder why some of the working groups have so little to show. Is there substantial disagreement among members?
On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 2:00 PM Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
the "Recommendations" are a problem because we are so late in the strategy process. They are supposed to give the community a chance for community input. If the quality of the "Recommendations" is so poor, then the chance for the community to give substantial input is very limited. In this unready state, the "Recommendations" or parts of them should not have been published. It is not appropriate to ask the community to invest time in reading texts that are not ready. The experience is very frustrating.
Kind regards Ziko
Am Do., 22. Aug. 2019 um 13:00 Uhr schrieb Nicole Ebber < nicole.ebber@wikimedia.de>:
Hi Ziko and all,
Thanks for sharing your concerns and suggestions. I have posted a
response
to the other thread and hope to have addressed your questions there as well. Let me know if you need further clarification.
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2019-August/093303.html
Best wishes, Nicole
On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 at 10:50, Aron Manning aronmanning5@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 22:07, Jeff Hawke geoffey.hawke@gmail.com
wrote:
"Open community input will be accepted until September 15, after
which
working groups will refine and finalize their work using movement
input
as
I expect the drafts to be revised for new rounds of feedback within
that
timeframe. In one week the community gathered information fundamental
to
these drafts, but missing from the first iteration. In an agile
environment
this can be incorporated into the drafts in a few days, and even in wikipedian time 1-2 weeks could be enough to publish the next
iteration,
and keep the conversation alive. I hope after Wikimania the WG members will be able to dedicate time for this, otherwise the tight timeline is not possible. Ideally the most popular drafts would be updated weekly, or more often, answering some feedback in each iteration, not necessarily all of it.
Aron
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