On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 7:10 AM, David Levy lifeisunfair@gmail.com wrote:
MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
It's funny, I just had a look at the wikimedia-l archive around January 2012... you know, that time when Wikipedia literally shut itself down as
a
political statement. The following month, the Wikimedia Foundation established a "Community Advocacy" department, not to be confused with lobbying, of which you're now a member.
I can appreciate the many legitimate reasons to not accept Bitcoin and
I'm
grateful for your candid thoughts on the matter, but the idea that you,
of
all people, would try to claim that it might (gasp!) insert politics into Wikipedia is simply disrespectful to history and reality.
I interpreted James Alexander's statement to mean that it's "not our job" and "not our role" to make the particular political statement that Bitcoin's proponents seek. This doesn't mean that it's *never* okay for us to engage in advocacy of a political nature, particularly in response to something potentially threatening a WMF project's very existence. (Whether SOPA and PIPA actually posed a significant threat is debatable, but the action in question stemmed from the belief that they did.)
David Levy
David is right,
I think the SOPA/PIPA decision was the correct one in the end but I very highly respect those who did not/do not think it was. Even there I was highly uncomfortable making a strong political statement, especially using the project, and had to wrestle with myself a fair bit before I did it. There is no doubt that we, as an organization and a community, are not 'neutral' in everything but I think we should avoid being political unless we think it directly effects us and we have thought deeply about it. I have no issue with the foundation and community advocating for internet privacy/copyright laws etc for example but even those we need to be very picky about. I do not think this arrises to that level yet.
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Jake Orlowitz jorlowitz@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think we should 'make a statement' by accepting bitcoin, I think the currency is simply at the stage where it would be to our benefit to do so.
Jake (Ocaasi)
Without getting into some of your other arguments at the moment because of lack of time (through I don't agree with them all) I do think it's impossible to avoid 'making a statement' here. Whenever we do something we have to not only think about it from what 'we' are trying to make a statement about but also how it will be viewed. I think it is guaranteed that the commercial and non commercial community who has been pushing this for 4+ years will see it as a huge win and approval for their methods and that given their consistent strategies we will be used as a reason for many others to sign on as well with our 'support' being paraded around.
If we're going to do it, we need to know it's going to be seen and used as a statement whether we want it to or not.
James