Hoi, Message localisation is only required for the 500 or so messages that are the most relevant ones. For subsequent messages a full localisation is required. This means that the requirements have been reduced for initial projects in a language. It is assumed that the need for localisation is felt as a project matures and we hope and expect and even have some proof that as a consequence a subsequent project does not have to do it all.
I also agree with you that continuous development is a good thing. with two editors writing one article a week there and a start from the Incubator with some 300 articles they would be out of any conceived danger zone within a year.
I agree with you that 1000 articles for Wikipedia could be seen as some 10.000 articles in Wiktionary. For a Wikinews I would expect at least one article per day for a period of three months.
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Andre Engels andreengels@gmail.com wrote:
2008/4/10, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, For quite some time, we have had people arguing for the closure of
projects.
I have seen many arguments pro and against closures. What has been
missing
in all these projects are objective criteria why it makes sense to find fault with a project.
I have come up with three objective arguments.
- A project is not what it is advertised to be. For instance when a
language is always written in a particular script, a project in any
other
script is problematic.
With this I agree. Other examples are:
- A Wikipedia with only or mostly 'articles' of length 1 line or less
- A Wikisource with only or mostly source material in another language
than the project's own
- A project does not have at least 90% of the most relevant messages
localised. For your information there are only 498 messages in this
category
at the moment.
I disagree. I still don't agree that message localisation is an important factor in allowing or disallowing a language; also, this would put the limit high on the first project in a language, very low for subsequent ones. A well-developing Wikipedia in a new language might be excluded by this criterium, whereas a dead Wikisource or Wikinews might easily reach the goal simply by copying from its partner Wikipedia.
- A project should have at least 1000 articles. When there is nothing
to see what is the point ?
Development. As said by others, ongoing development is more important than actual article number. I would measure this by active users - at least 3 (or 5?) active users (measured by number of edits in a month.
Measurement in number of articles is also problematic because the various types of projects are quite different in that. A Wiktionary with 1000 words is still a small startup, a Wikinews with 1000 articles is quite serious already.
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