There is a need for interwiki-communication is something I hear often. people are not able to get together and think about general solutions together. The only channel being used for that kind of stuff is #wikimedia , but to be honest, that is more foundation/organization-related, not project-based.
Precisely. If we could raise issues in the channel that really are affecting multiple places, it's great. As you say, #wikimedia is definately more geared towards WMF, and #wikipedia is appropriate for project-related matters.
And *please* remember that not everybody is from en.wikipedia . The mistake of admin is one often made. If someone searches for an enwiki admin, he should actually search in #wikipedia-en . It is just setting the links in the helppages straight, and most of the people will go the right way.
While I agree with you in principle, I personally do not believe that talk about a specific project is harmful until it stops another project being discussed. We do advertise that #wikipedia is for projects that don't have a sufficiently active channel of their own.
All the same, it is important to remember that not everyone is enwiki, as you say.
Sean
On 20/06/07, effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I have to say, that I like the channel as it is constructed now much more. Some pepole will want to move to the social channel now, I can only encourage that if that is the chat they are searching. Please consider a few points:
*All Wikimediaprojects which are on IRC have their channel as in #projectname-langcode , for example #wikibooks-nl . Why would en.wikipedia be an example?
The channel was often flooding with off topic talk, when I came there for help (yes, even a steward needs help sometimes) no-one was responding often, due to the heavy offtopic conversations about star trek and indeed politics, generally americal politics. If there was a respond, it was not possible to find it in the flood when are not using a irc client with highlighting (such as javachat).
There is a need for interwiki-communication is something I hear often. people are not able to get together and think about general solutions together. The only channel being used for that kind of stuff is #wikimedia , but to be honest, that is more foundation/organization-related, not project-based.
Freenode is a big network, and contains a lot of channels. I think it is not so very weird to move from channel, if you want a social talk, just go to the appropriate channel. If the social talk is a short spin-off of a Wikipedia-related issue, I guess there is nobody banging on your head.
Yes, you are allowed (of course) to change from network. If you really feel that you cannot operate anymore in Freenode, you are free to choose another network, and go there. Consider however, that it is not as much Freenode you are having problems with here, you just disagree on a few rules for *one channel*. I guess it is easier then to set up another channel, such as ##Wikipedia .
And *please* remember that not everybody is from en.wikipedia . The mistake of admin is one often made. If someone searches for an enwiki admin, he should actually search in #wikipedia-en . It is just setting the links in the helppages straight, and most of the people will go the right way.
Best Regards,
Lodewijk
2007/6/20, Dejan Čabrilo dcabrilo@gmail.com:
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 10:28 +0200, Guillaume Paumier wrote:
Because Sean is one of our two IRC group contacts for Wikimedia (with James_F), member of Freenode staff (you know, this network you are using and whose rules you have accepted a long time ago).
Can we consider changing the network then, if our community and FreeNode can't get along?
Admin on which project ? #wikipedia is supposed to be about the global Wikipedia project, if you wish to find admins of a dedicated project, you had better join the dedicated channel (I guess your sentence was English-language-Wikipedia-centric, so in that case the dedicated channel is #wikipedia-en, just like there is #wikipedia-fr or #wikipedia-de).
Usually admins on en.wikipedia. Several people used #wikipedia to contact me for help, as I'm an admin on sh.wikipedia, and our channel is mostly empty. It's easier to have a centralized place where people can both direct you and help you.
Because someone had to do it. Sean was only bold enough to dare doing it.
I am bold enough to go and reconstruct AfD on en.wikipedia. But I don't think changing the rules and desysoping all the admins that took part in it would be a way to go.
Sean, I think you should make it publicly clear what the problems were, so that people really understand why your action was needed.
So, Sean should tell us why the channel we were in had problems?
Dejan Čabrilo
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