Peter,
On 10/27/2014 03:08 AM, Peter Krautzberger wrote:
> Gabriel wrote:
>
>> It would also be nice to reduce the size of the SVG fall-back images,
> which are
>> currently about 50% larger than the (low-resolution) PNGs.
>
> I think this only holds for smaller equations. For more complex equations it
> seem to me that minified+zip'ed SVGs are the same size (or smaller) than the
> PNG.
>
> @physikerwelt do you have data on that by any chance?
we aren't minifying yet. I did some tests last night (see
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72547), which suggest that we
can reduce the size of small SVG formulas by about 25-30% with minification.
This looks pretty straightforward to add to mathoid.
> As for further optimizations, you could drop the paths entirely and point
> the <use> elements to external files, i.e., use global svg data like
> webfonts. This then raises a different question of balancing: is it worth
> loading such "fonts"/spritemaps when there's only a few equations in the page?
For most page views this would likely increase the size, unless those maps
only had the glyphs needed in a certain page. Which would then reduce the
caching between pages.
> Just for the record since we've rejected it for other reasons, inline SVGs
> would also reduce the number of http requests and would resolve the clipping
> and baseline problems we've seen in the past.
It's a trade-off between making everybody download both MathML *and* SVG
(which is larger), or only doing so where MathML is not supported. There is
also a complexity trade-off between simple stand-alone fall-back images, and
the maintenance of a global per-page glyph table. Overall, the size of math
fallbacks is moderate compared to a page with photos, and it looks like we
can get the size close to that of low-resolution PNG images with
minification. To me, this seems to be a good compromise for now, and we can
always re-evaluate later.
Gabriel
In the Hebrew Wikipedia there's a discussion about the "Thanks" feature,
which raises the following confusion among other things: Why does the
person who is sending the thank-you gets a message saying "$1 was notified
that you liked his/her edit.", and the person who receives the thank-you
notification sees a message that uses the verb "thank"?
The difference is in the original message in English, and I translated them
accordingly, but I am wondering: Is this really good? Maybe both should use
the same verb - "thank"?
I can just send a Gerrit patch or open a bug, but it may be worth to
discuss it a bit on the wide community level and not only with tech people
:)
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As a follow-up to the discussions about the new Math rendering options, I'd
like to raise the question of how to write the preferences in way that will
really be helpful to the users.
I made a little patch at
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/167024/
It only fixes some minor things, and the problem is wider: How is a person
supposed to choose the best option?
What are "modern browsers"?
If one thing is "recommended" for modern browsers, and another "improves
(or enhances) rendering on modern", which one should I choose?
What is "slow"?
Why is improved visual rendering mixed with accessibility in *two* options?
Which accessibility features do I get in each option? Are they even
different?
These options confused me for years as a Wikipedia user. The recent
developments in Math are great technically (kudos to Moritz, Gabriel, TheDJ
and everybody else who was involved!), but the options are still not so
helpful. Let's fix them! Suggestions?..
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Hi Felipe,
The event and unveiling was organized by Slubice and the Collegium
Polonicum. WMPL, WMDE, and WMF were all represented, and I'm sure other
Wikimedians attended in their personal capacities. We did want to have a
set of photos ready to go with the release, but we weren't able to
coordinate that with the organizers in time. That said, I'm happy to report
there are some lovely photos on Commons (
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_Monument), and I'm
told there was an excellent turnout of the press so I'm sure there will be
good coverage, including images.
Katherine
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Felipe Schenone <schenonef(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> No picture, seriously?
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Katherine Maher <kmaher(a)wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
>> This press release is also available online here:
>> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/First-ever_Wikipedia_Mo…
>> Wikipedia Monument unveiled in Poland
>>
>> - *Monument in Słubice, Poland honors free knowledge and human
>> collaboration*
>>
>> Wikimedians -- the editors, creators, and contributors behind the free
>> encyclopedia Wikipedia -- were honored today with the unveiling of a
>> monument in Słubice, Poland. The monument, which is the first of its kind,
>> is a celebration of the power of free knowledge and human collaboration.
>>
>> The monument, designed by Armenian sculptor Mihran Hakobyan, depicts the
>> Wikipedia globe held aloft by four figures. As in the original, the
>> Wikipedia globe remains unfinished, as a testament to the ever-expanding
>> realm of human knowledge. The idea to create a monument came from Dr.
>> Krzysztof Wojciechowski, the director of Collegium Polonicum, and was
>> brought to fruition through the support of Tomasz Ciszewicz, the mayor of
>> Słubice.
>>
>> "On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation, thank you for this remarkable
>> recognition. We hope this will be an enduring reminder of the importance of
>> free knowledge. It is humbling for all of us to be a part of something so
>> much larger than any one person." said Lila Tretikov, Executive Director,
>> Wikimedia Foundation.
>>
>> Wikipedia is the largest collection of free knowledge ever assembled,
>> including more than 33 million articles in 287 languages. Together,
>> Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects are the world’s 5th most visited
>> website, with nearly half a billion monthly visitors and roughly 80,000
>> active volunteers contributing every month.
>>
>> “When Wikipedia started back in 2001 I have to say that I never imagined
>> a day when Wikipedia would be honored with a monument - we write about
>> them, we photograph them with our Wiki Loves Monuments competition, and now
>> we have a monument of our own. It is a truly special and exciting day, and
>> one that I hope shines the spotlight on the thousands of Wikimedians who
>> edit Wikipedia and make it the source of free knowledge it has come to be.
>> I look forward to visiting Słubice one day to see the monument for myself
>> and perhaps meeting some of those involved in the project.” said Jimmy
>> Wales, founder of Wikipedia.
>>
>> Guests attending the unveiling ceremony included representatives of
>> Wikimedia Poland, Wikimedia Deutschland, and the Wikimedia Foundation, the
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In the user interface messages of MediaWiki and its extensions the word
"media" is usually used to refer to images, videos, sounds and files. It is
convenient, because they are handled similarly by the software.
But it is also awful, because I'm quite sure that people don't talk to each
other about "media" in real life, but they do talk about "pictures",
"videos", and "sound recordings". Every time I translate messages that have
the word "media" in them, I think that a lot of users will not actually
understand them, and that if I would stand next to them, I'd have to
explain what that is.
Is my impression wrong?
Is it conceivable to consider that using the word "media" less in user
interface messages will make the interface clearer to the user?
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